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Question Mutations can be affected by outside forces?

9 years 4 months ago #1 by Malady
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    • Mutations can be affected by outside forces?

    Like the New Olympians have powers that match their God, but is that 'cause the Delphic Oracle picked those bodies 'cause she/it knew that those bodies would express those powers? Or their possession caused the appearance of those powers?

    Nacht has Erebeal Dip...

    She-Beast has Devil Implant...

    Are any of them non-mutants?
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    9 years 4 months ago #2 by Nagrij
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    • Even in our world, cells mutate when exposed to certain forms or larger than normal amounts of radiation. Why wouldn't outside forces affect mutation in another, modeled after this one?
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    9 years 4 months ago #3 by Valentine
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    • Phase and Puppet had their mutations introduced by outside forces, presumably Phase's younger brother will too.

    Fey, Kayda, and many avatars seem to have their physical bodies mutate based off of the spirits they acquired.
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    • Valentine wrote: Phase and Puppet had their mutations introduced by outside forces, presumably Phase's younger brother will too.

    Fey, Kayda, and many avatars seem to have their physical bodies mutate based off of the spirits they acquired.


    I guess I was trying for non-intentional influences? And the second set seems to be all part of the Avatar Trait?

    I mean, like if a Power Stone user mutates, their power set appears to be influenced by the Power Stone, would be the kind of influence I'm talking about?
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    9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #5 by Kristin Darken
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    • Technically, 'mutants' are genetically triggered. And why most manifestations occur over time naturally during puberty. Either you are disposed to manifesting or you aren't. Sometimes people exist who have some of the genetic encoding to be a mutant but not a complete 'set' such that the puberty process is sufficient to manifest powers. In rare instances, some outside event (getting hit by lightning, being exposed to a vacuum, chemical or radiation) can result in a manifestation as if that person were a mutant - the event generating the switches that didn't exist completely in the genetics and the shock stress of the trauma substituting for the chemical influences of puberty. While these people aren't technically mutants (they are Origins), they are very close... and can be evaluated as mutants, because it is still the body's manifesting that yields their powers.

    Other types of gaining power are less likely to directly track with the mutant power traits... because the powers aren't a natural part of the body. They come from something/someone else.

    This is why Origins are more unstable, power wise (especially at first). Their body's don't benefit from the whole package implied in the genetics as a survival set... for instance, an Energizer is likely to manifest in a way that they can throw lightning and will probably be empowered by electricity in general... or at least immune/resistant to damage from an errant electrical charge. An Origin who can throw lightning may not be protected in any way from an ability gained as the result of a lightning strike. The event toggled the genetics for the ability to channel and direct the bolts, but there's no guarantee they can also hold a multi-bolt level of charge.
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    • Yes and no to the Avatar Trait. Fey and Kayda were deliberately shaped by their Avatars, even though Aung wasn't really an Avatar, Loophole and Kodiak also. The others, Aquerna, Peccary, Mongoose, Miasma, Hoarder all seem to have been affected by their animal or nature spirit, but others like Appaloosa, Bluejay, and Swoop don't seem to be physically changed. And other like Mrs. Carson, the Tanakas, don't have any changes at all.
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: Technically, 'mutants' are genetically triggered. And why most manifestations occur over time naturally during puberty. Either you are disposed to manifesting or you aren't. Sometimes people exist who have some of the genetic encoding to be a mutant but not a complete 'set' such that the puberty process is sufficient to manifest powers. In rare instances, some outside event (getting hit by lightning, being exposed to a vacuum, chemical or radiation) can result in a manifestation as if that person were a mutant - the event generating the switches that didn't exist completely in the genetics and the shock stress of the trauma substituting for the chemical influences of puberty. While these people aren't technically mutants (they are Origins), they are very close... and can be evaluated as mutants, because it is still the body's manifesting that yields their powers.

    Other types of gaining power are less likely to directly track with the mutant power traits... because the powers aren't a natural part of the body. They come from something/someone else.


    Oh! So the MGC isn't something that is all-or-nothing! Its individual alleles can occur without making the whole MGC! Thanks!
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: An Origin who can throw lightning may not be protected in any way from an ability gained as the result of a lightning strike. The event toggled the genetics for the ability to channel and direct the bolts, but there's no guarantee they can also hold a multi-bolt level of charge.


    Wait... So in-universe, there actually are alleles for "Lightning Resist"?? ... And possibly have been pinned down by Mutation Research?
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    • There are glands for warping time and space, and you're surprised by that?
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    • Yes, which is one of the reasons knowing that the sequence shows up in someone's DNA isn't evidence that they are a mutant. Or that they will manifest.

    There are hundreds of potential bits of the DNA that impact one or another power trait. Just as there are hundreds of different parts that affect eye color. To say "these twenty places" in your sequence are in a state of OIM and those twenty places commonly are active like that in people who are Exemplar 4's... means nothing. Because there are thirty or forty other places that are commonly active that same way in people who are Exemplar 4's. Maybe if you had all 60? But then maybe not... because no one at Exemplar 4 has more than 30 of the points in that sequence active.

    But... maybe if exposed to a certain chemical in lethal doses, it'll trigger whatever 'other' things were missing that would have allowed you (with those 20 points in your DNA) to activate your manifestation as an Exemplar 4.

    The number and complexity of the combinations needed are so obscure that it will take decades of mapping and statistical analysis to have any certainty. Thus why devises can sometimes provide the answers... they shortcut the computer analysis part of running the DNA statistics.
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    • Domoviye wrote: There are glands for warping time and space, and you're surprised by that?


    Wait, What?!

    Refs or it didn't happen?
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    • How else do you explain warping powers?
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    • Domoviye wrote: How else do you explain warping powers?


    Well there's these tiny blackholes that are to small to see and as a devisor they manage to gather enough of them to bind them into a small blackhole that is in reality a wormhole that makes its way a certain distance between two points, unless there is a quark in the way else a snark comes into play thus shifting the spectrum from an absolute to a probability thus enabling the wormhole to change proximity of where it was suppose to go to one where it shouldn't go and thus enabling another hole to be formed whereas there hadn't been one and so as the individuals molecule atoms are scattered across the spectrum of problematic resolutions of space and time they find themsleves warped to another location of not their choosing.

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    • That sounds painful.
    Does yoga help prepare you for having your molecules sent willy nilly through spaces?
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    • Domoviye wrote: That sounds painful.
    Does yoga help prepare you for having your molecules sent willy nilly through spaces?


    Yes yogurt helps. As well as a can opener.
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    • Does having the Schwartz help?
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    • Valentine wrote: Does having the Schwartz help?

    Nope, the Schwartz helps with ESP, PSI, and PK powers, not when having your molecules sent willy nilly through spaces.
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