Question Would the Last One Out Please Turn Out The Lights!

Valentine wrote: But no one other than a super experienced hero, a sadist, or Jade would think of creating a black hole in a foe. It's even likely that the Range Team would have steered him away from the tactic.

elrodw wrote: I'm surprised no-one has commented on the last paragraph, the one that's like the closing of a book. That's the one that had the most emotional impact for me.

Katssun wrote:

elrodw wrote: I'm surprised no-one has commented on the last paragraph, the one that's like the closing of a book. That's the one that had the most emotional impact for me.

I can't speak for the rest of us, but I was frankly a bit numb by that point.

The phone call to Brigette and the followup discussion with whoever was left hit me the hardest. The absences were keenly felt.

Katssun wrote:

Valentine wrote: But no one other than a super experienced hero, a sadist, or Jade would think of creating a black hole in a foe. It's even likely that the Range Team would have steered him away from the tactic.

It's somewhat scary that Carson knew he was capable of doing it, and encouraged the tactic almost nonchalantly. She's been running Lanie and Kayda though extradimensional horror gauntlets, so they're familiar with this kind of thing. Still, Carson has a good sense of how to combat Class X entities.

Really makes you wonder, given how relatively cool she was fighting Unhcy, what in the Whateley tunnels took her and the board members?

elrodw wrote: I'm surprised no-one has commented on the last paragraph, the one that's like the closing of a book. That's the one that had the most emotional impact for me.

The story with this little bit is now completed and at my editors for cleanup, then it's in the queue.
BTW, it's a Gen 2 story.

elrodw wrote: I'm surprised no-one has commented on the last paragraph, the one that's like the closing of a book. That's the one that had the most emotional impact for me.

When facing a potentially cataclysmic foe, why don't people call for support?

Katssun wrote: Really makes you wonder, given how relatively cool she was fighting Unhcy, what in the Whateley tunnels took her and the board members?

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

When facing a potentially cataclysmic foe, why don't people call for support?

I'd say that there's a number of related reasons. At the core I'd say that the problem is isolation. The Sioux Falls League was a highly competent team covering a fairly large area on their own. They would rarely have the opportunity or the necessity to deal with other teams. This means three things. First is that when they're rushing into a fight at full speed they simply don't have the instinct to call for other teams. Secondly, without a strong working relationship with the other teams, they're probably not going to be able to mobilize them rapidly. We saw the difficulty Ernst had dealing with the general. While getting another team to help probably wouldn't be pulling teeth like that was, it's not as simple as flying a Batsignal. Finally, they might not be aware of how prepared the other teams are for dealing with a Class X threat. Unless you know that the other teams have the defenses to not be instantly mind-wiped and the strength to deal Snakey damage then all you're doing is getting a team of good people killed and stripping an area of its heroes to buy you a little bit of cannon fodder. Heck, I'm amazed that they let Catapult join them. I'm guessing that if they'd had a little bit more time to consider, or if he had anything other than a blisteringly powerful long-range powerset, he would have stayed behind.

Valentine wrote: It was a hell of a battle, and I wonder if we will ever find out if Catapult (was he in Absinthe II?) recovers. But no one other than a super experienced hero, a sadist, or Jade would think of creating a black hole in a foe. It's even likely that the Range Team would have steered him away from the tactic.

Katssun wrote: Really makes you wonder, given how relatively cool she was fighting Unhcy, what in the Whateley tunnels took her and the board members?

Malady wrote: Well, the other thread... Which is now gone for some reason, said it was a spoilers?

Arcanist Lupus wrote: By shear coincidence, my music was playing The Highwayman as I reached the conclusion here.

Valentine wrote: But no one other than a super experienced hero, a sadist, or Jade would think of creating a black hole in a foe.

Kettlekorn wrote:

Valentine wrote: But no one other than a super experienced hero, a sadist, or Jade would think of creating a black hole in a foe.

I disagree. It's a pretty natural thing to think of if you have gravity based powers that can apply absurd g-forces. It's just the bread-and-butter technique of crushing your enemies with gravity taken to the extreme.

Katssun wrote:

Kettlekorn wrote:

Valentine wrote: But no one other than a super experienced hero, a sadist, or Jade would think of creating a black hole in a foe.

I disagree. It's a pretty natural thing to think of if you have gravity based powers that can apply absurd g-forces. It's just the bread-and-butter technique of crushing your enemies with gravity taken to the extreme.

Monica apparently generates them in mid-air routinely as part of her fighting techniques, but she certainly doesn't do it inside people. From what we've seen, she's generally pretty scared of what direct application of her power does to things and people.

Misty...she certainly goes way too far when she's in a panic berserk state, but I don't think she can make black holes.

elrodw wrote:

Katssun wrote:

elrodw wrote: I'm surprised no-one has commented on the last paragraph, the one that's like the closing of a book. That's the one that had the most emotional impact for me.

I can't speak for the rest of us, but I was frankly a bit numb by that point.

The phone call to Brigette and the followup discussion with whoever was left hit me the hardest. The absences were keenly felt.

I had to write it in sections to avoid overloading myself, even though I knew what was happening and going to happen. And if I read it, parts still choke me up.

Kettlekorn wrote:

Valentine wrote: But no one other than a super experienced hero, a sadist, or Jade would think of creating a black hole in a foe.

I disagree. It's a pretty natural thing to think of if you have gravity based powers that can apply absurd g-forces. It's just the bread-and-butter technique of crushing your enemies with gravity taken to the extreme.

Esar wrote:

Malady wrote: Well, the other thread... Which is now gone for some reason, said it was a spoilers?

On second thought I put the Kayda tag as a spoiler because I hadn't read it yet and I didn't want someone to read the first message and then be spoiled an eventual surprise in case the fact that it was a kayda story wasn't something they were expecting (I wasn't expecting a Kayda Gen2 story).

Esar wrote: For some reason I hadn't immediatly picked up on the fact that it was a flashback, so it was strange for a moment. (and I am too ashamed to admit at which point in the story I realized it.) It was very emotional, I particularly liked the public speech scene.

Kettlekorn wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: By shear coincidence, my music was playing The Highwayman as I reached the conclusion here.

Oh jeez.

elrodw wrote: I'm surprised no-one has commented on the last paragraph, the one that's like the closing of a book. That's the one that had the most emotional impact for me.

Malady wrote: I actually missed the hint from Dr. Barton with Laura that they disbanded!

Not as emotionally invested in the SFL as other people, so not as sad? Or I don't tear up as easily, either or...

I thought it might have been Vox, at first, 'cause I was like "What's her last name again? *Wiki* Oh!... Jackson... So, not her..."

If they still want kids... How are bio-gadgs in Gen 1.5 -

Katssun wrote:

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- Confirmation that Fey is alive (and well?) in 2016.
......

Actually that was confirmed in Islands In the Sun

Otherself wrote: I have been wondering a thing for a while: why there isn't the Tennyo option? She effing eates class X entities, why not have her on speed dial? (Is she traveling among the stars? Is she in another plane of existance?) The fact that she's a demoneater is known to Whateley Security, which means that Mrs Carson knows as well, CIA probably knows as well, I mean, why not call her? She can even teleport so as long as she's on the planet she can come to help at moment notice. What about using her (or Sara, if she's aviable) to dispose the Evil rather than just keeping it sealed in a can?

Dreamer wrote: Would The Last One Out Please Turn Out The Lights comments

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Laura babysat Wyatt and Lanie's kids, she must be good to keep three kids wrangled. Twin make her think of Jack-Jack from The Incredibles, just how old are they where she thinks they are too young to have manifested yet?

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Lanie rushing in to save Kayda, told it is too dangerous there. Kayda senses Lanie is pregnant with twins, saying Lanie owes them a future.

Otherself wrote: I have been wondering a thing for a while: why there isn't the Tennyo option? She effing eates class X entities, why not have her on speed dial? (Is she traveling among the stars? Is she in another plane of existance?)

Otherself wrote: I have been wondering a thing for a while: why there isn't the Tennyo option? She effing eates class X entities, why not have her on speed dial? (Is she traveling among the stars? Is she in another plane of existance?) The fact that she's a demoneater is known to Whateley Security, which means that Mrs Carson knows as well, CIA probably knows as well, I mean, why not call her? She can even teleport so as long as she's on the planet she can come to help at moment notice. What about using her (or Sara, if she's aviable) to dispose the Evil rather than just keeping it sealed in a can?

Katssun wrote:

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- Confirmation that Fey is alive (and well?) in 2016.
......

Actually that was confirmed in Islands In the Sun

Katssun wrote:

elrodw wrote: I'm surprised no-one has commented on the last paragraph, the one that's like the closing of a book. That's the one that had the most emotional impact for me.

I can't speak for the rest of us, but I was frankly a bit numb by that point.

Esar wrote: And yet it isn't in the art gallery (I have just seen it too after reading your post). Maybe it is taking every image on the site for its rotation ?

Malady wrote: Woah. Just saw the Plaque in the Art Rotation! So. Much. Spoilers?

E. E. Nalley wrote:

Otherself wrote: I have been wondering a thing for a while: why there isn't the Tennyo option? She effing eates class X entities, why not have her on speed dial? (Is she traveling among the stars? Is she in another plane of existance?) The fact that she's a demoneater is known to Whateley Security, which means that Mrs Carson knows as well, CIA probably knows as well, I mean, why not call her? She can even teleport so as long as she's on the planet she can come to help at moment notice. What about using her (or Sara, if she's aviable) to dispose the Evil rather than just keeping it sealed in a can?

You're right, if Tennyo were alive and on Earth that would be the logical thing, wouldn't it?

Be careful what you wish for [ Click to expand ] [ Click to hide ]

But would you really want to read that story? Oh? Ok, well here ya go. The guard yawned in the over watch satilite when the alarm began to sound. "Localize," he managed around a second yawn and thought about what flavor coffee he'd get from the Kuerig next trip.

"HPARC Level 55," the computer replied. "Threat level Class X."

Maybe a donut? he through as he scratched his junk and wondered if those assholes from day shift left any. "Release Agent T."

"Authorized." The computer replied. "Enroute. Threat neutralized. Situation normal."

The guard stood, stretched and scratched his ass. "I'm gonna go take a dump, Central. Auto mode."

"Auto mode confirmed. Would you like a musical selection to defecate to?"

"Are you kidding?" The guard replied. "I'm barely awake as it is!"

Otherself wrote:

E. E. Nalley wrote:

Otherself wrote: I have been wondering a thing for a while: why there isn't the Tennyo option? She effing eates class X entities, why not have her on speed dial? (Is she traveling among the stars? Is she in another plane of existance?) The fact that she's a demoneater is known to Whateley Security, which means that Mrs Carson knows as well, CIA probably knows as well, I mean, why not call her? She can even teleport so as long as she's on the planet she can come to help at moment notice. What about using her (or Sara, if she's aviable) to dispose the Evil rather than just keeping it sealed in a can?

You're right, if Tennyo were alive and on Earth that would be the logical thing, wouldn't it?

Be careful what you wish for [ Click to expand ] [ Click to hide ]

But would you really want to read that story? Oh? Ok, well here ya go. The guard yawned in the over watch satilite when the alarm began to sound. "Localize," he managed around a second yawn and thought about what flavor coffee he'd get from the Kuerig next trip.

"HPARC Level 55," the computer replied. "Threat level Class X."

Maybe a donut? he through as he scratched his junk and wondered if those assholes from day shift left any. "Release Agent T."

"Authorized." The computer replied. "Enroute. Threat neutralized. Situation normal."

The guard stood, stretched and scratched his ass. "I'm gonna go take a dump, Central. Auto mode."

"Auto mode confirmed. Would you like a musical selection to defecate to?"

"Are you kidding?" The guard replied. "I'm barely awake as it is!"

...... Come on, give me some credit, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that there wouldn't be a story if Tennyo simply came and ate the opponent, but it's still a bit jarring how Tennyo is completely ignored, at the end the heroes seal the Evil in a can hoping it will be able to keep it sealed, not keep it sealed long enough for Tennyo to be aviable, not even a "I wish she could be here"...... She's treated as she never existed, and that's what left me wondering why.

Anyway, I think I might have a mundane solution that might help getting rid of this particular Class X entity, Stuff it in a rocket and fire it in the Sun, while it was still a bigg ass snake demon popsicle it was too dangerous to do it, but while it is trapped inside the pocket dimension Mrs Carson created it might be safe enough to do. It might be worth a try.

Otherself wrote: Anyway, I think I might have a mundane solution that might help getting rid of this particular Class X entity, Stuff it in a rocket and fire it in the Sun, while it was still a bigg ass snake demon popsicle it was too dangerous to do it, but while it is trapped inside the pocket dimension Mrs Carson created it might be safe enough to do. It might be worth a try.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Also, there's always a possibility that Snakey is straight up immortal (or at least can't be killed by the sun). In which case, while marinating in the sun won't be pleasant, there's a chance that after a couple thousand years Snakey will adapt to the environment. And now you have a giant evil snake that's capable of tapping into the most powerful energy source in the Solar System. Have fun!

E. E. Nalley wrote: You know, if you had READ my response instead of getting pissy at what is obviously a really elaborate joke you might not come across as a jerk. It's not very heroic to piss and moan about who ISN'T available. Do you read Steve Rogers pissing and moaning that the Fantastic Four are off fighting Galactus? No. They cowboy up and soldier on.

You know, my first pass on this response was pretty thermonuclear and profanity ridden, but I'm going to take the high road and ask one FINAL time nicely for people to STOP asking why orphaned main characters don't take part in something. If Fey, or Tennyo or Jade show up in a story, take it as a gift, be grateful and enjoy and if they don't it's very simply because we didn't want to write them. Ok? Stop it. This is one of my buttons, stop pressing it.

Thank you

The evil demon was sealed in a pocket dimension of Lady Astarte's creation, and thus control. From inside, it would be nearly impossible for Snakey to get out, and if he did manage, the spherical silver gateway would be sealed into a low level of the HPARC facility, this time hopefully with even stronger force fields and wards and cryo-chilling.

Otherself wrote: I might have to apologize for the emote that I used, I was looking for something that rolls the eyes while frowning, I didn't find it so I tried to find the closest thing I could find, there aren't many options for negative emotions, there's sadness and anger, mere annoyance is not aviable. I debated a little if I should have used no emote or go for an hyperbole, I thought that there was no warm going for the latter, it would seem that I was wrong.

elrodw wrote: I'm going to jump in, and hopefully this will be THE END of the 'talking past each other' and 'misunderstood emoticons'.

NONE of us want to try to write Tennyo. Not directly. I show her from time to time, but not as a POV or major character. The closest I'll do is like I did with Jade in Best Days part 3. I don't know of any author that's ready to write an orphaned character as POV.

Next, with regard to Tennyo. First, ask yourself how many people are aware of Tennyo? She was a rather large target for culties and others, so having her hidden is pretty important who would like to control her. Would you let the government know all the details about someone like that? I know that I sure wouldn't. (NO government is free of corruption; it's just the degree IMHO.)

Second, Tennyo's application of force is like performing an appendectomy with a shovel. Dirty, blunt shovel. She's pure force, but is learning finesse. How much control does she have of her 'demon-eating' power? Don't know. She doesn't get a lot of chance to exercise that particular skill. So what seems like finesse to her might mean only the Dakotas and Wyoming get nuked.

Third, there's the simple point of story-telling. What drama exists if any time a character gets in trouble, they simply call Fey or Tennyo (or even Ayla to bring in money) and -POOF- problem all solved. Where's the opportunity for character growth, for tense situations? I know for a fact that EE's post was made to emphasize how totally-lacking in drama the Tennyo Option would be. Amusing? Yes. Dramatic? No. Engaging for readers? Again, no.

In real life? Anyone who knew about Tennyo would consider whether it was a good idea or not. Depending on (again) how much control she has. In a story? Yes, it'd be possible, and if necessary to avoid the obvious 'big hammer' approach, I'll find McGuffins to keep the really heavy hitters out of play so MY characters can get some screen time. None of us like to write BORING. So understand that point, and if you have questions, try to phrase them a little more carefully. It's okay to ask, but let's not let them degenerate into nasty arguments.

(And if I'm the voice of sanity and reason, we're really in deep stuff.)

So, let's put that discussion to bed. We are all making good points here, and in the ... enthusiasm ... of the discussion, it seems that some points are being missed. Okay, I said what I need to. Done, finito, finished, terminado, am Ende, stick a fork in it, it'd be pushing up the daisies if it hadn't been nailed to the perch!

Now let's all join hands and sing Kum ba ...(thud - Stop it! Stop it! NOT like that! NO SINGING!!!)

The Book of Darwin wrote: The outcasts all stared at her like she’d gone insane, and then they moved. Jericho immediately called up his Rafe Armor, freshly connected to the new shield hanging off of its left arm, then engaged another trigger. Slapdash’s anti-tank Core-Ejector materialized in his right hand as he began calling the CB emergency Band. “Emergency, Darwin is under attack, I repeat Darwin is under attack. Dr. Reaper is materializing killbots over downtown.”

“Say again, there is no…”

“Shut up and get the word out, four minutes, tops and we’re going to have people dying. Get the Overwatch Defense team and every fucking soldier you can mobilized now!”

Valentine wrote: On earth, Team Kimba, Chou, Sara, Mrs. Carson, perhaps Ty West, Kayda, and Circe. I really doubt anyone else knows. So how many of those were at the Snakey battle? Mrs. Carson and Kayda, neither of which had time to call for backup. The one time Kayda did have time to call for backup, she called Fey, so it's even doubtful she knows about Tennyo.

Valentine wrote: Since I kind of started this, I would like to make one thing clear. I neither expect, nor want to see a story starring Kayda, or Lanie, or Jericho, where they run into trouble and call "Superman" to solve their problem. I do expect them to act intelligently though.

elrodw wrote:

Valentine wrote: On earth, Team Kimba, Chou, Sara, Mrs. Carson, perhaps Ty West, Kayda, and Circe. I really doubt anyone else knows. So how many of those were at the Snakey battle? Mrs. Carson and Kayda, neither of which had time to call for backup. The one time Kayda did have time to call for backup, she called Fey, so it's even doubtful she knows about Tennyo.

Nailed it. You don't call someone for backup if you don't KNOW that they can back you up. Kayda doesn't know. The only thing is that Wakan Tanka warned her that Billie had some important and dangerous thing about her. That's all she knows.

Valentine wrote: Since I kind of started this, I would like to make one thing clear. I neither expect, nor want to see a story starring Kayda, or Lanie, or Jericho, where they run into trouble and call "Superman" to solve their problem. I do expect them to act intelligently though.

Okay, I took a drink to calm down. Are you insinuating that Kayda DIDN'T act intelligently? This fight was a total surprise, and she did the best she could, trying to protect a lot of people and get the women out of danger. She did NOT have time.

"Um, Uncy?"
"Yeah?"
"Time out. I gotta call backup."
"WHAT?"
"Time out. I'm calling my backup. Also going to summon my extra fighting gear. Should only take a moment."
"Um - who says you can do that?"
"I called Time Out, that's why!"

Valentine wrote: Uncehgila finally got free, and it took a hell of a lot to stop him. This does bring up one thing that I have always disliked about comics and the way most of my friends run superhero games. When facing a potentially cataclysmic foe, why don't people call for support?

Kayda didn't have a chance, Lanie eventually did, but what was the SFL thinking? Admittedly none of the "nearby" teams, those in the Rockies, and Chicago area, are close enough to get there in time to help unless they have access to a teleporter, but if everything goes bad at least they are on the way. ARC has powered armor troops in orbit, presumably with the same sort of defenses as the HPARC armor had, but no one called them? Or Whateley? Someone is going to have clean the are, and it's likely to be ARC, with some help from Whateley.

Valentine wrote:

elrodw wrote:

Valentine wrote: Since I kind of started this, I would like to make one thing clear. I neither expect, nor want to see a story starring Kayda, or Lanie, or Jericho, where they run into trouble and call "Superman" to solve their problem. I do expect them to act intelligently though.

Okay, I took a drink to calm down. Are you insinuating that Kayda DIDN'T act intelligently? This fight was a total surprise, and she did the best she could, trying to protect a lot of people and get the women out of danger. She did NOT have time.

"Um, Uncy?"
"Yeah?"
"Time out. I gotta call backup."
"WHAT?"
"Time out. I'm calling my backup. Also going to summon my extra fighting gear. Should only take a moment."
"Um - who says you can do that?"
"I called Time Out, that's why!"

Nope, not implying that Kayda didn't act intelligently. Given the amount of time she had as warning, she acted highly intelligently. She made sure that everyone knew to run away and not look back. The SFL on the other hand should have tried to get backup. The knew and had time, even if no backup could arrive to save them, they would already be on the way to help with clean up (there was a nuke on the way) or to try to defeat Snakey.

Valentine wrote: Uncehgila finally got free, and it took a hell of a lot to stop him. This does bring up one thing that I have always disliked about comics and the way most of my friends run superhero games. When facing a potentially cataclysmic foe, why don't people call for support?

Kayda didn't have a chance, Lanie eventually did, but what was the SFL thinking? Admittedly none of the "nearby" teams, those in the Rockies, and Chicago area, are close enough to get there in time to help unless they have access to a teleporter, but if everything goes bad at least they are on the way. ARC has powered armor troops in orbit, presumably with the same sort of defenses as the HPARC armor had, but no one called them? Or Whateley? Someone is going to have clean the are, and it's likely to be ARC, with some help from Whateley.

From my first post on the subject.

elrodw wrote: BTW, I noticed that NO-ONE made any comment about the code word "Strangelove". I felt sure there would be some comments on that.

elrodw wrote: Ah, ok. I figured I'd try something amusing rather than launch, because I didn't think you would be insulting. And if my reply seemed snippy, then let me assure you that was not the way it was intended.
Humor - ar, ar

You assume that during the 35 minute flight, the SFL didn't try to get backup. There was a lot that wasn't shown or told, but perhaps I should have touched on this bit. They're pros - they would have called for any backup they could get. We don't know if the SD Air National Guard and Army National Guard had assets they were bringing, or if those were deliberately held back because of "Strangelove". Same for ARC resource - it's very likely they decided to NOT drop into what would be a very radioactive zone once Strangelove was activated.

BTW, I noticed that NO-ONE made any comment about the code word "Strangelove". I felt sure there would be some comments on that.

elrodw wrote: BTW, I noticed that NO-ONE made any comment about the code word "Strangelove". I felt sure there would be some comments on that.

Dreamer wrote:

elrodw wrote: BTW, I noticed that NO-ONE made any comment about the code word "Strangelove". I felt sure there would be some comments on that.

Oops, knew I forgot to mention something in my comments. Would it be a reference to the movie Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned How To Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Heard of the movie but never saw it myself.

Kettlekorn wrote: Rule of thumb: only call Godzilla Tennyo after the monster shrugs off your nukes.

Otherself wrote: I have been wondering a thing for a while: why there isn't the Tennyo option? She effing eates class X entities, why not have her on speed dial? (Is she traveling among the stars? Is she in another plane of existance?) The fact that she's a demoneater is known to Whateley Security, which means that Mrs Carson knows as well, CIA probably knows as well, I mean, why not call her? She can even teleport so as long as she's on the planet she can come to help at moment notice. What about using her (or Sara, if she's aviable) to dispose the Evil rather than just keeping it sealed in a can?

Katssun wrote:

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- Confirmation that Fey is alive (and well?) in 2016.
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Actually that was confirmed in Islands In the Sun

Yolandria wrote: My only guess about the code name.

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Otherself wrote: I have been wondering a thing for a while: why there isn't the Tennyo option? She effing eates class X entities,

Katssun wrote: Honestly...Kayda is lucky she was able to go into battle clothed.

That's just the type of person she is.

Mister D wrote:

Katssun wrote: Honestly...Kayda is lucky she was able to go into battle clothed.

That's just the type of person she is.

No, That's the kind of author Elrodw is...

Hardric wrote: Now, as Bardue would say, why Tatanka wasn't summoned? Don't tell me Kayda is still operating by 'I must prove myself worthy by not using my spirit. Ever.' in 2011.

Katssun wrote:

Hardric wrote: Now, as Bardue would say, why Tatanka wasn't summoned? Don't tell me Kayda is still operating by 'I must prove myself worthy by not using my spirit. Ever.' in 2011.

When Tonka Trucka gets hurt and again when he dissipates, Kayda gets hurt too. It has been detrimental to the outcome of her fights so far. The after effects of him getting hurt could have killed her at a critical moment. Her shield spells are more reliable against that type of threat.

Gunny is right, she should use him more, but his main benefit is to shred PK bricks who are overconfident in their durability. Snakey isn't relying on any PK, so she's better off just going for it, like she did.

Hardric wrote: Forgot about the Painshare thing, and didn't think about the other points. Sorry for the stupid question.

Valentine wrote:

Hardric wrote: Forgot about the Painshare thing, and didn't think about the other points. Sorry for the stupid question.

Not a stupid question. A stupid question would be why didn't Kayda send everyone to attack Snakey as canon fodder?

Otherself wrote: I was wondering, Card Trick got her mind wipe just like that kid had with Snakey Jr the First, isn't it possible to use magic to deage her? If she's going to relearn everything like an infant let her have a normal childhood at least.

A deaging spell might be overpowered because it could be used to become immortal (I am 60, I deage myself back to 20, rinse and repeat, you have the potential of living forever), however it could have the catch that along with taking away years from the body it also takes away years from the mind, the memory, the experience, everything, like the past self had been transported foreward in time with no knowledge of what happened during the time skip. This (along with the difficulty of casting a such spell) would make make the spell's usefulness very limited in general, however in this specific case the drawback is inexistant as there are no memories to lose in first place.

This could also give the Bartons a daughter to love and raise if Vanessa's problem can't be solved.... or even if it can and does get solved.

annachie wrote: Assuming she could be de-aged back to babyhood, would she de-manifest or remain active?

If de-manifest would even she re-manifest and if so with the same powerset?

JG wrote: This is also assuming that looking into Unceghilas gaze doesn't obliterate the brains ability to form cognitive and mnemonic connections entirely, leaving the body and mind dead husks with no hope of recovery to become a normal person again.

And worse still...

*runs off to whisper sweet evils into Elrods ear.*

elrodw wrote:

annachie wrote: Assuming she could be de-aged back to babyhood, would she de-manifest or remain active?

If de-manifest would even she re-manifest and if so with the same powerset?

Well, now, that's an interesting set of questions to an interesting proposition.
I'd answer it if I had thought if this particular scenario ...

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Hm... What's the legality of turning people into babies without their express permission as a medical treatment?


For the record, I'm mostly bringing this up because I wanted to ask the question "Is it legal to turn people into babies?"

elrodw wrote: You'd have to assume that Card Trick's parents would give consent. But what if, say, her dad had a heart attack or stroke from the stress of losing his little girl, and her mom basically lost it over losing the two of them? Then who would give consent?

Not that I'm planning anything, mind you ....

Otherself wrote:
A deaging spell might be overpowered because it could be used to become immortal (I am 60, I deage myself back to 20, rinse and repeat, you have the potential of living forever), however it could have the catch that along with taking away years from the body it also takes away years from the mind, the memory, the experience, everything, like the past self had been transported foreward in time with no knowledge of what happened during the time skip. This (along with the difficulty of casting a such spell) would make make the spell's usefulness very limited in general, however in this specific case the drawback is inexistant as there are no memories to lose in first place.

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elrodw wrote: Or there's a devise which does the job without invoking the laws of magic and their sometimes-unpleasant side-effects...

E. E. Nalley wrote:

elrodw wrote: Or there's a devise which does the job without invoking the laws of magic and their sometimes-unpleasant side-effects...

Yeah, I saw that one! but didn't the Commander defeat Royal Paine and destroy the Pacifier?

lighttech wrote: Sooner or later the laws of magic would catch you!

elrodw wrote: There have been some notes about whether Card Trick gets healed. Remember that Kayda healed the two scouts who got mind-fried by number-1 son; basically, cleaning the taint so their brains could 'start over'. It's very likely that the same could be done for Card Trick, although Unhcy's taint is apt to be a bit stronger (a LOT stronger) than that of his sons, so ...

We shall see, Zur! We. Shall. See!!!!

Sir Lee wrote: Practical Thread Necromancy for the win...

...wait, this probably got asked before somewhere, but if Lainie was pregnant (with twins) in Summer 2011, shouldn't the twins be pushing five in Gen2, instead of seven as stated? Or is this her second pregnancy and she miscarried due to the battle?