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7 years 10 months ago #1 by Dreamer
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  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


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    7 years 10 months ago #2 by Malady
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  • Woah. Her trip to China really did a number on her. Good to see she's getting better!

    The sudden transitions to flashbacks was confusing, but I guess it's a representation of how she's experiencing things.

    she apparently was keeping Molly from becoming a villain simply by loving her.


    What. This is just so mysterious? ... What would her villain name be?

    Joan of Arc


    Huh. Very interesting!


    ... Shipping Geomancer + Chain Lightning!

    ... The Tao has to be called for... It doesn't auto-insert itself? Well, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't? Sorta confusing?
    7 years 10 months ago #3 by Bladedancer
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  • The Tao shows up when it feels needed. It just so happened that it arrived this time.

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    7 years 10 months ago #4 by Yolandria
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  • Well the Tao was definately needed! We get more Chou! *Cheers*

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    7 years 10 months ago #5 by Rose Bunny
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  • Ok, anyone really wanting to see a Dark Gateway sim run now?

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    7 years 10 months ago #6 by Bladedancer
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  • That could be so much fun. Dark Gateway would be brutal. Imagine an Evil Rythax helping her... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! :evil:

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    7 years 10 months ago #7 by Rose Bunny
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  • Bladedancer wrote: That could be so much fun. Dark Gateway would be brutal. Imagine an Evil Rythax helping her... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! :evil:

    Poor victim looks around... "she must have knocked me through a portal... but to where?" * reads sign that says 'Welcome to Milwaukee'* "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

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    7 years 10 months ago #8 by Malady
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  • Bladedancer wrote: The Tao shows up when it feels needed. It just so happened that it arrived this time.


    Hmm...

    WMG-ish musing on the Tao [ Click to expand ]
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #9 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Crap! A safer facility might make this whole thing more problematic. Chou slipped a hand into her pants


    I do not think that that is the proper response to an emergency, young lady! :twisted:


    (Unless of course you're this guy )




    Loved the story, glad you're back, and looking forward to more!

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    7 years 10 months ago #10 by Bladedancer
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  • Out of the entire Chinese Pantheon, the only one who can beat Sun Wu Kong is either the Handmaid when powered or Sun Wu Kong (which is an actual thing). Fundamentally, how her power works is that the Tao determines when it needs to empower and to how much. It is impartial. If the Tao loses Chou there is still a year to speed train a Handmaid for the particular call.

    As for the Tao, it fills people and is not exactly a force others can control. That and the Immortals would never conceive of trying to control the Handmaid. Because of their connection to the Tao they would let it be and offer assistance now and again. There are a number of Immortals and honestly, Chou has only worked with three.

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    7 years 10 months ago #11 by Katssun
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  • A little bit of a bummer that Chou and Molly broke up with Dorjee.

    Malady wrote: The sudden transitions to flashbacks was confusing, but I guess it's a representation of how she's experiencing things.

    This was one of my favorite parts about this story, the narrative flow to it. Chou was either meditating and slipped into the memories, or was talking about it to someone else and then got fully engulfed by the memory. She's having PTSD flashbacks. Same with some of her odd reactions to things, like the 'and that's okay' repeated throughout the story. Some of that is her Taoist view on things, but other times, its like she's almost refusing to engage.

    she apparently was keeping Molly from becoming a villain simply by loving her.


    What. This is just so mysterious? ... What would her villain name be?

    I'm guessing from the line right after that, that Molly would have gotten tempted to use her summons and new martial arts abilities against the bullies at home, but had Chou there to keep her calm and keep things in perspective.

    We learned from the Wondercute/SLJ sim debacle that the girls have a few control issues when things get too personal, and Molly is no exception. Any attack on the bullies at home would put Molly on the run.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #12 by Valentine
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  • Excellent story, you haven't lost anything of the character. Her summer "adventures" seem to be as harrowing as everyone else's.

    You do know that Chou's angst has nothing on Kayda's angst. In the WU if you look up angst in the dictionary there is a picture of Kayda.

    Now maybe a Molly story?

    Who or what is Oolong, and why did Toni pick a fight with him? (Google was no help, and since I think that even Grabby could beat up the Oolong from Dragon Ball, I'm guessing it's not him.) Or is that going to be the new "noodle incident," since Phoenix wrote about the old noodle incident.

    PS: I'm glad I'm not the only one that has trouble remembering how to spell 'Unhcegila.'

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    7 years 10 months ago #13 by Iwasforger03
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  • I am disappointed and interested in the breakup between Chou and Dorjee, since I recall there being some sort of "order from above" for Dorjee to seduce/date Chou or something. Rumors/indications once circulated (though how much heather had to do with them I don't know) that he was supposed to get her pregnant or something... I can't recall if that was pure speculation or if there was something very specific in a story that told us that. It's been so long since I read a Chou story...

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    7 years 10 months ago #14 by Yolandria
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  • I wonder if Chou is going to tell Molly what she saw when fighting that other summoner. A dragon! Then Molly can have her very own! And call him/her Puff!

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    7 years 10 months ago #15 by mhalpern
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  • I was doing some rereading of Kayda 10 (specifically looking for something in Part 3) to get other details and I found a slight continuity error:
    Kayda 10 part 3 wrote:

    "I saved 53 Americans who had effectively been legally kidnapped and enslaved...

    Seeking Depth is Best wrote:

    “At least I saved 47 kids and shut down that program.”


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    7 years 10 months ago #16 by Rose Bunny
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  • maybe the other 6 were adults?

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    7 years 10 months ago #17 by Bladedancer
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  • Rose Bunny wrote: maybe the other 6 were adults?

    Remember that there were High School Students (Kids) and some college age people (not kids)

    As for the 'breakup'... Dorjee got ordained, something he has been working for most of his life. There is a vow of chastity involved. They are still friends but him being a full Monk now precludes a relationship. Outside forces.

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    7 years 10 months ago #18 by Sir Lee
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  • Hmmm... comments.

    I see Heather opted for jumping right into Year 2 instead of doing a bunch of "catch up" stories, and I can't argue with the result, which was unsurprisingly good (and probably more interesting for the author). The flashback structure worked well for that, although it could have been highlighted a bit more -- in at least one place, the action jumps from present to past without even a separating ruler.

    However... I still would like to see more of what has happened to Chou (and Molly, for that matter) during the Spring and Summer.
    Perhaps... let me drop a suggestion here... instead of committing to full-size stories, a series of vignettes (written whenever the inspiration hits, or whenever Heather feels the need to explain/expand on a particular event)? Just seeing some of the already-known Spring term events from Chou or Molly's perspective could be interesting. Like Chou's initial competitiveness with Kayda, or her holding Molly together after that disastrous sim with STAR League Jr.... or, for only-mentioned stuff, the "changing booth thief" scene, or Chou confronting Molly about her villainous tendencies...

    I see Chou accepting better the mantle of the Handmaid -- she did kill a bunch of people, and she would have preferred not having to do so (although she might have made an exception for the Changing Booth Burglar Groper ;-) ), but this time she didn't become a basketcase out of guilt. She might not be seeing all the details on the Tapestry yet, but she has a clearer view of her personal path, and is accepting of it -- even accepting that the best she might ever do for her father is to release his soul for whatever hereafter he is destined to. She matured a lot. Maybe more than a teenager should be forced to.

    I saw the Joan of Arc mention and found it particularly interesting (hey, more on that please, perhaps a vignette showing how Chou came to discover this?) -- and I wonder how Pucelle would react if she found out that Chou, in a way, is the true successor of Joan...

    Overall, I would say that Heather made a very good comeback. I'm eager to see more.

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    7 years 10 months ago #19 by Bladedancer
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  • In a story you all haven't seen, Molly tries to summon a dragon. Tyswir is less than amused to be suddenly in Boston.

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    7 years 10 months ago #20 by Rose Bunny
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  • Pfffft...

    And I'm surprised Boston hasn't banned field trips from Whateley yet.

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    7 years 10 months ago #21 by Bladedancer
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  • The lobbyists for the Construction, Emergency Cleanup, and lawyers have managed to keep the money train flowing.

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    7 years 10 months ago #22 by Domoviye
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  • I can just picture it:

    Molly: But I live in Boston, I'm not a tourist or anything!
    Bureaucrat: I'm sorry, but no Whateley students are allowed in Boston after the last 'incident'.
    Chou: (Drawing her sword) I think you should reconsider your policy.


    Good story, nice to see Chou again.
    7 years 10 months ago #23 by Wavehead
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  • Due to work I only found out today that Heather had written another Bladedancer story :) It really made my day 8P
    I like the way Heather has used Chou's meditation and dreams to show us past events in Chou and Mollys life. It works particularly well imo to give us readers details of Chou's recent adventures and at the same time providing us with an "up to date" story :)
    I've always enjoyed Heathers stories and this one has given me immense pleasure B)
    Really, really, really looking forward to your next story Heather :)
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  • Offer is open to Bladedancer - any time you want a past scene as a side-discussion or flashback while Chou and Kayda are training or falling asleep or something, i will be more than happy to put it in a Kayda story.

    Actually, the same goes for ALL the canon authors.

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    7 years 10 months ago #25 by Rose Bunny
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  • elrodw wrote: Offer is open to Bladedancer - any time you want a past scene as a side-discussion or flashback while Chou and Kayda are training or falling asleep or something, i will be more than happy to put it in a Kayda story.

    Actually, the same goes for ALL the canon authors.

    That sounds like a perfect lead up to a misunderstanding, where Molly thinks Kayda will be away for the night, so she sneaks into the room to wait for Chou in the nude, but oops... Kayda gets back from the showers dressed in her towel. Then Chou enters, misunderstands, and hilarity ensues.

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  • Chou would just look at the two of them trying to explain and freaking out before she starts laughing.

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    7 years 10 months ago #27 by Iwasforger03
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  • Oolong is listed in the wiki under "Cthulu Mythos" as an ancient Dragon who sided with the courts against the GOOs and was one of the mightiest of all warriors, now sleeping buried under China. It's probable that Toni "poking" or "messing" with Oolong was Toni messing with the ki lines somewhere near his resting place and slightly disturbing his slumber.

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    7 years 10 months ago #28 by Valentine
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  • Chou hasn't learned what Kayda learned, and Ayla knew. When invading visiting a foreign country, the correct member of Team Kimba to bring is Jade, not Toni.

    Good thing Kayda didn't bring Toni to South Dakota, she would have tried to pick a fight with Unhcegila.

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    7 years 10 months ago #29 by Bladedancer
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  • Toni showed up on her own and made lots of trouble without consulting Chou. I still need to write a scene where she Gibbs slaps Toni

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  • Bladedancer wrote: Toni showed up on her own and made lots of trouble without consulting Chou. I still need to write a scene where she Gibbs slaps Toni

    I vote for a smack over the head with the broadside of Destiny's Wave.

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    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #31 by Mister D
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  • Iwasforger03 wrote: Oolong is listed in the wiki under "Cthulu Mythos" as an ancient Dragon who sided with the courts against the GOOs and was one of the mightiest of all warriors, now sleeping buried under China. It's probable that Toni "poking" or "messing" with Oolong was Toni messing with the ki lines somewhere near his resting place and slightly disturbing his slumber.


    Chaka picked up the technique from fighting with the Yama Dojo, called "Steps On the Giant's Toe".

    Would this be adapted to "Wakes the Sleeping Dragon"?


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    7 years 10 months ago #32 by Domoviye
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  • I have one complaint with this story.
    Whenever I glance at the title I see, "Seeking DEATH is best"
    It's a bit disconcerting.
    7 years 10 months ago #33 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Domoviye wrote: I have one complaint with this story.
    Whenever I glance at the title I see, "Seeking DEATH is best"
    It's a bit disconcerting.

    That's still better than JG's titles, which cause songs to play in my head. "Sunshine and Fury and whiskers on kittens...", and Siblings and Savages

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    7 years 10 months ago #34 by JG
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  • Sunshine and Fury and whiskers on Kittens
    Bright Phosphor blazes and warm napalm swimmin.
    Tightly held hand grenades thumb-clipped and slinged
    These are a few of my favorite things!
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #35 by mittfh
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  • <font size="huge" face="Comic Sans" color="Rainbow">Welcome back Heather!</font>
    (Tee hee hee! Oh, and yes, I know that won't render - that's the point! I don't think I'd be too popular around here if it did...)

    Courtesy of the invite with built-in compulsion spell, we know Chou was expecting her visit to China to be interesting - but probably not as interesting as it turned out to be (nor a certain floor-mate to be the trigger for the ensuing chaos).

    Meanwhile, at least back at school, she's now got Kayda for a room-mate rather than the hyperactive CeeCee (I wonder if anyone's going to be daft enough to write a tale from her PoV?), while Dorjee's demotion to friend status is perhaps logical - he often seemed like a spare wheel in the Chou <-> Molly relationship, and with the unconventional status of Kayda and Lainie already known throughout campus {although many probably misinterpret it as a love triangle or other shape [quadrilaterial if they know about Debra, pentagon if they add Tansy}. open non-heterosexual relationships are less of a novelty - plus, regularly training with Kayda plus Molly's association with Wondercute is likely to dampen down much of the more overt displays of dislike for the relationship type).

    (Oh, and if JG's sufficiently motivated, could he do a full-size filk of his Favourite Things? :D )

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  • Sigh, there goes my favourite threesome. I'm sure my anti-theistic viewpoint is colouring this but I can just see his friends reacting with "giving up two hot girls for monks robes? Dude what were you thinking?"

    here's hoping the relationship does not successfully stay in the friend zone. Again we all have our biases, and this is one of mine. That said I'm still reading Just got up to the Finder, she seems interesting, I wonder how many winning lottery tickets she has found.
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  • Yeah, he is going to catch some grief over the break up. There were sure to be guys who were jealous of his relationship. For most teens the notion of having two girls like that would make them crazy. But for Dorjee, his faith is one of the primary aspects of his life. Being in a relationship was never a long term thing and he knew it.

    As for Gillian... she's pretty crazy. I was working on a stand alone story with her and it was different. Very different.

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  • Now that I think about it didn't Chou have a vision of her future self being pregnant? I guess Dorjee will be replaced eventually.
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  • You never know. For all anyone knows, Molly figured something wild and crazy out and did the deed.

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    7 years 9 months ago #40 by Rose Bunny
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  • Bladedancer wrote: You never know. For all anyone knows, Molly figured something wild and crazy out and did the deed.

    Bunny is good with eggs of all sorts... Just sayin'

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  • So true. Then there is also Jobe. I am sure Chou can find a way to get Jobe to help with no weirdness or strings attached if it is the will of the Tao.

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    7 years 9 months ago #42 by Anne
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  • If Jobe really understood who and what Chou is then she'd be very careful in her dealings with the Handmaid. But since Jobe is even more quintessentially the self-absorbed teen than usual I doubt she will. Since there is evidence of the Drow 'collective' in gen 2, she survives. I doubt she'd survive being on the wrong side of the Tao!
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  • Irritating the Tao is not a good pastime and bad for the health.

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    7 years 9 months ago #44 by Sir Lee
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  • Bah. Even in our world there are techniques (experimental, but still exist) to make a viable embryo from two eggs, with no sperm involved. Jobe wouldn't do it because she would consider the task too pedestrian and uninteresting. There are other people, more amenable and less likely to do weird stuff with the embryo "just because."

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  • A fair point

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  • Sir Lee wrote: Bah. Even in our world there are techniques (experimental, but still exist) to make a viable embryo from two eggs, with no sperm involved. Jobe wouldn't do it because she would consider the task too pedestrian and uninteresting. There are other people, more amenable and less likely to do weird stuff with the embryo "just because."


    That's why I said Bunny. She wouldn't screw over her friends like that. And if Bunny can't, Anna could talk to Jerry for them.

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  • So there are like at least three options to make this happen.

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    7 years 9 months ago #48 by Rose Bunny
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  • you almost sound like you are plotting something... *waits for the Gen 2 story where Molly AND Chou are both waddling around in very pregnant mode*

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  • ::shifty eyes:: I don't know what you are talking about. Why would I be planning anything?

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    7 years 9 months ago #50 by Rose Bunny
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  • Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.

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    7 years 9 months ago #52 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • Rose Bunny wrote: Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.


    I am not evil!

    ...

    Nor am I contaminated :P
    7 years 9 months ago #53 by Domoviye
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  • Rose Bunny wrote: Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.

    Leave me out of this. I'm actually using Chou as a meter stick for how evil I can get in every story idea that I've got going now. Go as far as Poetheather goes, and take a few extra steps.
    7 years 9 months ago #54 by null0trooper
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Rose Bunny wrote: Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.


    I am not evil!

    ...

    Nor am I contaminated :P


    Aha! Rose Bunny noted that the other writers are contagious, and here you deny that you are contaminated, thus proving that you indeed are among the infected!

    This, of course, begs the question of how she herself became infected.

    :evil:

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    7 years 9 months ago #55 by Anne
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  • As noted, the evil that infects writers is contagious. I guess I haven't been infected yet. Everyone said that my story was too easy on my character. Also that it was more tell than show. Not that I'm terribly good at getting that show part down. To me all stories are told. Some are told more convincingly and immediately involve my imagination, and others don't. I read the first and put down the second.
    7 years 9 months ago #56 by JG
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    7 years 9 months ago #57 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • JG wrote: I have no idea what you crazy people are babbling about.


    JG. its that "black - grey - white" morality stuff we keep trying to explain to you.
    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #58 by OtherEric
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    JG wrote: I have no idea what you crazy people are babbling about.


    JG. its that "black - grey - white" morality stuff we keep trying to explain to you.


    That YOU keep trying to explain. The rest of us gave up long ago, other than additions to the "Things JG is not allowed to do" list.
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    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #59 by Rose Bunny
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    Rose Bunny wrote: Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.

    Leave me out of this. I'm actually using Chou as a meter stick for how evil I can get in every story idea that I've got going now.

    You are using Chou as the measuring stick? Clearly the Official International Weights and Measurements are set according to Kayda and Nikki.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Rose Bunny wrote: Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.


    I am not evil!

    ...

    Nor am I contaminated :P


    Aha! Rose Bunny noted that the other writers are contagious, and here you deny that you are contaminated, thus proving that you indeed are among the infected!

    This, of course, begs the question of how she herself became infected.

    :evil:

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    7 years 9 months ago #61 by Kettlekorn
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  • Rose Bunny wrote:

    Domoviye wrote:

    Rose Bunny wrote: Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.

    Leave me out of this. I'm actually using Chou as a meter stick for how evil I can get in every story idea that I've got going now.

    You are using Chou as the measuring stick? Clearly the Official International Weights and Measurements are set according to Kayda and Nikki.

    Chou has had at least as bad a time as Nikki. She just tends to suffer quietly instead of throwing tantrums all the time.

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  • Rose Bunny wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Rose Bunny wrote: Because the evil generated by Elrod and E.E. and Domo, and well... practically all the other writers... is contagious.


    I am not evil!

    ...

    Nor am I contaminated :P


    Aha! Rose Bunny noted that the other writers are contagious, and here you deny that you are contaminated, thus proving that you indeed are among the infected!

    This, of course, begs the question of how she herself became infected.

    :evil:

    I don't count, I'm not a member of the Cabal.


    It's called "collateral damage"

    And while some may have argued that Kayda was the measuring stick for authors being evil to their characters, I'm being nice. A cuddly little teddy bear. All sweetness and light to my characters. Danny gets lots of kissy-kissy in exchange for a little bullying, right? And Kayda has her head screwed on correctly, right? 'Shine is 'Shine - nothing flaps him. And Laura - she's just a happy little princess that no-one would dare cause any grief to! So my characters can't be ISO measuring sticks for evil!

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  • elrodw wrote: And while some may have argued that Kayda was the measuring stick for authors being evil to their characters, I'm being nice. A cuddly little teddy bear. All sweetness and light to my characters. ...Kayda has her head screwed on correctly, right?


    Well, she does now...

    But still... changing gender, getting beaten-twice, gang-raped, horrible bouts of PTSD, forced into a situation with unstoppable involuntary sex, accused of murder, getting her magic and access to her spirits locked away, being informed that all that wasn't actually supposed to happen-rather that the role She was cast into was supposed to be her daughter's, having high level Class X entities stalking her all across the US, being manipulated by family to be a messianic figure, Further manipulated into learning magics that she isn't supposed to learn-ones that can turn her from her path.

    Yeah, you are all peaches and cream to her.

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  • Maggie and Babs take the evil cake home with them, or whoever it was that came up with what Hekate did to Sky and Cav.

    Everyone else is nice to their characters compared. You sympathize with Kayda, the outcasts, and Chou. You can only pity Sky and Cav for what was done to them.
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  • I wonder what people will think of some of my characters.
    Basically I looked at my daughter and asked myself, "removing rape and murder what are the worst things I can imagine happening to her?"
    One character got almost every single idea I thought of, another got the left over ones, and the rest got their fair share.
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  • Domoviye wrote: I wonder what people will think of some of my characters.
    Basically I looked at my daughter and asked myself, "removing rape and murder what are the worst things I can imagine happening to her?"
    One character got almost every single idea I thought of, another got the left over ones, and the rest got their fair share.

    your exclusions put you one behind Elrod.

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  • Yeah... I'm not the nicest to my characters but I am certainly not the worst. Though watching your father torn apart by a demon is not very kind, getting trapped in the wrong gender isn't fun, nor is having to kill an innocent man. That isn't even getting into the almost dying, getting beaten up, and threatened. Okay... maybe I'm not overly nice either.

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  • Rose Bunny wrote:

    Domoviye wrote: I wonder what people will think of some of my characters.
    Basically I looked at my daughter and asked myself, "removing rape and murder what are the worst things I can imagine happening to her?"
    One character got almost every single idea I thought of, another got the left over ones, and the rest got their fair share.

    your exclusions put you one behind Elrod.


    Wasn't one of your own FF/WhatIF characters shot and left for dead before being repeatedly raped?

    Ruth/Isaac Graber did have one hell of a bad series of experiences, though at least they were raised by a family that gave a damn about them.

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    7 years 9 months ago #69 by Rose Bunny
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  • null0trooper wrote: Wasn't one of your own FF/WhatIF characters shot and left for dead before being repeatedly raped?


    She wasn't shot, but was beaten up to the point of the burnout that caused the gender change. and Yes, she was raped, but at the time she didn't know enough to know anything beyond it being a biological function, and by the time she did know what sex was, she just thought it was something that felt good, and allowed it.

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    7 years 9 months ago #70 by Sir Lee
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  • You are forgetting Renae. Merry did NOT have a nice life.

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    7 years 9 months ago #71 by Anne
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  • Merry didn't have a nice life is a great understatement.
    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #72 by Iwasforger03
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  • I routinely put my character through hell. My own Elaine exists in no fewer than four official incarnations across four different story universes (Whateley being the most recent version) and in only one of them did she NOT experience living hell within the first twenty years of her life. Dice had already been on the run from monsters of the worst and most awful sort for 2.5 or so years by the time he meets Hollow in my WhatIF. Hollow got off comparatively easy.

    I could tell a few stories about the backgrounds I give my dnd/pathfinder characters if you like.

    Still, I don't consider those to be half so awful, (largely because they're not fully formed stories yet the way Whateley is) as what Bek, Maggie, Babs, Elrod, Nalley, etc will do to their own. In fact, ya'll (excluding Elrod cause I hadn't read any Kayda back when I formed this habit) are the likely source of my being so cruel. So yes, It's definitely Contagious.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: You are forgetting Renae. Merry did NOT have a nice life.


    You beat me too it! Merry/Mai/Chad/Chaddy / Petra&Paige is/are still my benchmark for "horrible things that can happen to a character". Just the fact that explaining who they are is so absurdly complicated just makes my point.

    In chronological order (more or less):
    Brutally trained to murder mutants as a child
    Watched brother get killed by uncle while father watched.
    Given drugs that made him loopy
    Had his entire family killed
    Grew unwelcome genitals
    Started fighting undercover war against an evil AI
    uncovered horrible experiments
    Psychically brainwashed to shield from trauma
    Watched surrogate brother figure get killed
    taken in by authority figures, who drugged and tortured him
    'rescued' to another facility where he starts healing people, which comes with extra torture and snake-vomiting
    gets rescued from that, only to be captured and turned into a were-puma, gets her arm torn off in the process
    After all this Petra goes to Rome where she will end up faking her own death by mostly killing herself to the point where she has to relearn how to walk and use utensils.

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  • This use to be a nice topic about getting a woman pregnant without a man.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the egg into sperm transformation idea someone brought wasn't neatly packaged in a disposable one-use gadget that looked like a strapon. When activated it acquires an egg, performs some voodoo, and then ejaculates when "surrounding conditions" are appropriate. :)
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