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7 years 1 week ago #1 by Dreamer
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  • A new Gen 2 tale from Bek D Corbin begins, involving Rockhound and Jadis. So read, enjoy and comment on it please.

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    7 years 1 week ago #2 by Malady
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  • I'm stunned. This was so riveting! ... Why's it so hard to remember... So much data.

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    7 years 1 week ago #3 by mhalpern
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  • Theory: it was Linda, using GURD to do it. Alternate theory Lennox did it in hopes of making Rivera more valuable, using Tyler as the expendable test subject for validation, by all rights it sounds like Tyler was more often than not someone who stuck to the background, and the least valuable of the crew, from a film perspective, he didn't make the Malice Upgrade, he got it from the source and thats what happened with the 3rd zodiac and that area, the deal went down there.

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    7 years 1 week ago #4 by mhalpern
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  • I do have a 3rd theory its a rather disturbing one, they got the story flipped, Rivera is the one who experimented on Tyler, and got himself killed

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    7 years 1 week ago #5 by Anne
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  • mhalpern wrote: I do have a 3rd theory its a rather disturbing one, they got the story flipped, Rivera is the one who experimented on Tyler, and got himself killed

    Sort of hard for him to experiment on Ty when he kicked off first. I'd say that your supposition that Lennox is bent some way is spot on. Whether or not he did the experiment is up in the air for me. I wouldn't be surprised to find that he enabled whoever did it in order to up the drama quotient of the show....
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  • These comments are some of the longest I've done in a long time. Mainly because there was many new characters and details that interested me, and I quoted a few long things I found very interesting.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.

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    7 years 1 week ago #7 by Valentine
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  • My theory on the perpetrator, read at your own peril [ Click to expand ]


    I wonder if Jadis ever got the proof of whom her mother is, or if she just changed her name.

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    7 years 1 week ago #8 by mhalpern
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  • statistically speaking, they should NOT be running into super villains that often something is seriously wrong there

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  • The fact is, that Lennox has the most motive, but he also isn't the ONLY one with significant motive and opportunity there is annother, Eric Newell his motive is he he physically isn't strong enough for his relationship with Dr Chase to progress.

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  • mhalpern wrote: The fact is, that Lennox has the most motive, but he also isn't the ONLY one with significant motive and opportunity there is annother, Eric Newell his motive is he he physically isn't strong enough for his relationship with Dr Chase to progress.

    You're right and you're reading this much closer than I was. They both have opportunity and motive. I guess that maybe Bek pushes Lennox's creep factor so we'll focus on him. However he isn't acting alone. Nor for that matter is whoever else might be doing this. I'm pretty sure this is part (or being used as cover for) of a conspiracy. As you noted, too many run ins with dangerous wildlife for the actual law of averages. I suspect that at least part of that is audience driven. No one is ever interested in the 100,000 cars that pass by on the interstate without a problem, but they all want to rubberneck the one crash out there!
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  • mhalpern wrote: statistically speaking, they should NOT be running into super villains that often something is seriously wrong there


    Since it's a Bek. D. Corbin story, what are the odds that one of the people in the hierarchy of the show's bureaucracy is working for the White Monks, or has one of the White Monk's catspaw's as a sponsor for the show?

    There may be someone in the background feeding them tips to interesting sources of data about situations, that the show's participants just run with. It would be the least-energy-maximum-result way of doing things, with the minimum of intervention, and maximum of deniability, as the people on the show are just doing what they do anyway.


    As for thoughts on the background, It's interesting to get more background on how Jadis has grown and changed in the 2nd Gen stories.

    The setting was excellent in the way that it was described. The solutions that were found for dealing with non-mutant-origins, and mutant-young-offenders, are realistic, if unfortunate in their realisation.

    Again the use of bureaucratic wiggle-room from having the different agencies involved makes for a good source of opportunities for drama, as well as a source of author's deux ex machina.


    One of Tyler's options, would be for him to find the best outcome for himself, and all of the other inmates. Will he become an "Edwin Windsor"?

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    7 years 1 week ago - 7 years 1 week ago #12 by mhalpern
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  • I just realized I missed the biggest clue in my previous theories, perhaps the most important. Tyler's blood work had a lot of THX, as we know he didn't take it willingly, the culprit had access to the drug, that means character witness about the suspects is useless, they could have been in a THX induced sociopathic fuge state, so what did Leo and Ty have in common, they were the show's sex appeal for female audience, rivals to another member of the crew, Tom Chase.
    Dr Chase might have known and tampered with blood work to protect her son.

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  • On my new line of theory Claire saw Tom on the disappearing island, arranging for the 3rd Zodiac to disappear, and later tempered with the Q gliders, killing Hugh and attempting to kill Linda.

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    7 years 1 week ago #14 by Jirachi47
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  • Generally Cool story.
    Nitpicky point:
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    “I thought that Science said that there are no such things as ghosts,” Mike said skeptically.
    “Yes- No-Kinda- it’s complicated,” Tyler squirmed. “While nothing’s been specifically nailed down as the textbook definition of the spirit of a deceased individual, there are over 26 separate and distinct different ‘paranormal phenomena’ that have been identified as being the causes of various haunting and other ghost-identified events.” The kids all just looked at Tyler with ‘What?’ looks.
    End Quote.
    Tyler is playing fast and loose with her definition here (From a bunch of information of Original Canon, which may or may not be public). Certainly, there is nothing that is just a normal ghost that has thus far been seen. However, there certainly are 'the spirit of a deceased individual', including amongst others Kodiak (the spirit), and a bunch of other spirits from before the sundering.
    Sure, that isn't 'ghost' but still...
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  • Jirachi47 wrote: Generally Cool story.
    Nitpicky point:
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    “I thought that Science said that there are no such things as ghosts,” Mike said skeptically.
    “Yes- No-Kinda- it’s complicated,” Tyler squirmed. “While nothing’s been specifically nailed down as the textbook definition of the spirit of a deceased individual, there are over 26 separate and distinct different ‘paranormal phenomena’ that have been identified as being the causes of various haunting and other ghost-identified events.” The kids all just looked at Tyler with ‘What?’ looks.
    End Quote.
    Tyler is playing fast and loose with her definition here (From a bunch of information of Original Canon, which may or may not be public). Certainly, there is nothing that is just a normal ghost that has thus far been seen. However, there certainly are 'the spirit of a deceased individual', including amongst others Kodiak (the spirit), and a bunch of other spirits from before the sundering.
    Sure, that isn't 'ghost' but still...


    Are they spirits, or are they multidimensional echoes? Or if you accept magic exists, scientifically, they could just be the result of spells creating a snapshot of the individual's personality with their preserved aura.

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  • My expectation is that Lennox is a total and complete scumbag...but that makes him just like every other Hollywood producer, especially in a universe full of organizations that frequently exploits mutants. Ratings and excitement first, safety second. But nothing actually lethal. He's covering up his own scumbaggery, but was equally ignorant of the murder plots.

    I like the theory that it is Dr. Chase's assistant, but I can't help but focus on the ego champions. Tom and Linda are both screaming "inferiority complex" to me. Not because of their cast mates, but their families. Tom will never hold a candle to his mother. Linda is the runt of the litter in a family as obnoxious as the Harrow family is supportively competitive. I wouldn't hold it past Linda to set something, or someone, up and then secure an alibi.

    Take out Leo because he's a threat to them being the focus of the show. Test it out on Tyler to see if it really is a dud. Use on self if it looks good. Logan would qualify, but the weld craftsmanship isn't there. Hugh is dead. The others don't have an potential motive...yet.

    Unless....Suzy knows she's the best welder on the ship, and introduces intentional flaws in her work to push aside suspicion.

    As for Jadis Explains It All...what exactly is her position? Future public defender? Mutant's rights activist? Parky's apprentice (and temporary paralegal)? I guess the real question is, despite all the stuff she said...why is Jadis involved!!!?
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  • Katssun wrote: My expectation is that Lennox is a total and complete scumbag...but that makes him just like every other Hollywood producer, especially in a universe full of organizations that frequently exploits mutants. Ratings and excitement first, safety second. But nothing actually lethal. He's covering up his own scumbaggery, but was equally ignorant of the murder plots.

    I like the theory that it is Dr. Chase's assistant, but I can't help but focus on the ego champions. Tom and Linda are both screaming "inferiority complex" to me. Not because of their cast mates, but their families. Tom will never hold a candle to his mother. Linda is the runt of the litter in a family as obnoxious as the Harrow family is supportively competitive. I wouldn't hold it past Linda to set something, or someone, up and then secure an alibi.

    Take out Leo because he's a threat to them being the focus of the show. Test it out on Tyler to see if it really is a dud. Use on self if it looks good. Logan would qualify, but the weld craftsmanship isn't there. Hugh is dead. The others don't have an potential motive...yet.

    Unless....Suzy knows she's the best welder on the ship, and introduces intentional flaws in her work to push aside suspicion.

    As for Jadis Explains It All...what exactly is her position? Future public defender? Mutant's rights activist? Parky's apprentice (and temporary paralegal)? I guess the real question is, despite all the stuff she said...why is Jadis involved!!!?


    Jadis has contacts in both sides of the business, and is sometimes a mediator. As to why possibly one of the primary people shafting Tyler is an old "friend" strickly speaking Tyler is not a mutant, but what she gets out of it immediately, possibly a bit more context to travel to Whateley to use it as neutral territory

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    7 years 1 week ago - 7 years 1 week ago #18 by mhalpern
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  • Problem with it being Linda is that she has an Alabi, and is therefore one of two people we can rule out unless they were in on it together, and Linda doesn't seem to be a team player as for validity of alabi, there's cameras, lots of cameras

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  • Hmm... Had initial comparisons between Tyler and Whisper, 'cause of the Cold Calculus Mental State, and nanites. Anyone else?

    Them both being MtFs wasn't thought of till now.
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  • Malady wrote: Hmm... Had initial comparisons between Tyler and Whisper, 'cause of the Cold Calculus Mental State, and nanites. Anyone else?

    Them both being MtFs wasn't thought of till now.


    Except these nanites don't cause or facilitate cyberpathy as far as we can tell

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  • mhalpern wrote:

    Malady wrote: Hmm... Had initial comparisons between Tyler and Whisper, 'cause of the Cold Calculus Mental State, and nanites. Anyone else?

    Them both being MtFs wasn't thought of till now.


    Except these nanites don't cause or facilitate cyberpathy as far as we can tell


    Whisper's Cyberpathy is her mutant power. Everything else is nanites?

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    Kristin Darken wrote: Whisper's power set is one of the most misunderstood things about the character. As mutant abilities go, this character is simply a low end cyberpath able to read and manipulate nearby network information.

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  • This is Bek we are talking about. The point about the two attention hogs probably having massive insecurities is well raised; Bek does love insecure villains.
    OTOH, Bek has a thing for the whodunit's villain being Good Ol' Whatsisname, the character who pops up now and again and appears to have NO REAL ROLE in the main plot -- they just happen to be "around". Remember The Big Idea? Remember The Final Trump?

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  • Sir Lee wrote: This is Bek we are talking about. The point about the two attention hogs probably having massive insecurities is well raised; Bek does love insecure villains.
    OTOH, Bek has a thing for the whodunit's villain being Good Ol' Whatsisname, the character who pops up now and again and appears to have NO REAL ROLE in the main plot -- they just happen to be "around". Remember The Big Idea? Remember The Final Trump?


    And I'll be following that idea of the spirit of the Big Idea with my own theory for the culprit (I have a review of the story boiling, but dang that behemoth is taking time, between the size and the fact I want to include quotes).

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  • Hmm...

    Thx-1138, is the movie... 1157 is the drug... And it seems to be a reference to Limitless's NZT-48, including the flashes without the drugs...

    The flashes could be 'cause he's being dosed and building up a tolerance...

    I wonder what he'd learn if he turned the fugues on himself? ... Although, there might not be anything new to learn there, he knows his guts are shifting.
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  • The story actually mentions two variants of the THX drug: the 1138 and the 1157. One assumes that the 1157 is a newer variant.

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  • “And NO, I never did any THX, either 1138 or 1157, after that. Period.” Tyler squirmed uncomfortably and then admitted.


    I see what you mean.

    THX 1138 is a movie, though, so I thought he was trying for some levity, but no reason why it can't be a variant.
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  • I wonder if we know any of the primary donors for the facility where Ty is being kept, it's a big operation for empowered young people to safely learn to control their abilities or get rehab for crimes done out of stupidity from impressions from the Media. Sounds like something Stacy (Silver Ghost) and Ayla Goodkind would donate to..

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  • <rant>
    One item that Tyler should never have mis-spoke about:

    the reason that I’m looking at the writing on that block instead of IZ- besides the fact that she’s MIA- is that that stele is a particulate stone- that’s a kind of rock that’s formed when a bunch of particles, like sand, get stuck together. There are three big problems with that: One, that kind of particulate doesn’t form in the Caribbean; Two, the people who carve messages in stone don’t use limestone or other particulate stones ‘cause they erode real easily;


    The term a geologist would use is "sedimentary" not "particulate", and the grains are cemented together. Sandstone and limestone have both been used for carvings and monuments even though they generally weather easier than igneous or metamorphic rock normally would. It helps the carver for the stone to be fine-grained and well-cemented - look up lithographic limestone - but that combination is not something you'd see much of on a volcanic island.

    It might have been better to skip over grain size/composition and say that that kind of stone isn't found in the Caribbean.

    An exposed hunk of rock would be encrusted with marine life rather quickly. Good luck getting that off without destroying some of the carvings.

    Also, silt doesn't float around in water.
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    Malady wrote: The flashes could be 'cause he's being dosed and building up a tolerance...

    I wonder what he'd learn if he turned the fugues on himself? ... Although, there might not be anything new to learn there, he knows his guts are shifting.


    Assuming that the fugues aren't caused by the ongoing physical transition. If the drug is moderately lipid-soluble, as fat deposits are redistributed (broken down in one area, reconstructed in another) small doses could be getting released into her system.

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  • null0trooper wrote: Also, silt doesn't float around in water.


    That's like saying that dust doesn't float around in air. Given enough time and very calm water, the silt will settle out (until it is disturbed again). And some kinds of silt will settle out faster than others. Yes, it has negative buoyancy (it sinks), It floats in the same sense that a feather floats in the air.
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  • joreymay wrote:

    null0trooper wrote: Also, silt doesn't float around in water.


    That's like saying that dust doesn't float around in air. Given enough time and very calm water, the silt will settle out (until it is disturbed again). And some kinds of silt will settle out faster than others. Yes, it has negative buoyancy (it sinks), It floats in the same sense that a feather floats in the air.


    *sigh*

    Silt is transported in moving water because it doesn't take much force acting on individual particles - usually as a result of turbulent flow - to give it any vector other than "down". I don't consider that "floating", but then again, I only have a master's degree in geology.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    joreymay wrote:

    null0trooper wrote: Also, silt doesn't float around in water.


    That's like saying that dust doesn't float around in air. Given enough time and very calm water, the silt will settle out (until it is disturbed again). And some kinds of silt will settle out faster than others. Yes, it has negative buoyancy (it sinks), It floats in the same sense that a feather floats in the air.


    *sigh*

    Silt is transported in moving water because it doesn't take much force acting on individual particles - usually as a result of turbulent flow - to give it any vector other than "down". I don't consider that "floating", but then again, I only have a master's degree in geology.


    Dust is transported in moving air because it doesn't take much force acting on individual particles - usually as a result of turbulent flow - to give it any vector other than "down". In the vernacular, that is called "floating" (as is a feather kept aloft by moving air). Tyler was not giving a technical paper, he was describing another person's interest in something that was not his field to an audience that lacked a relevant technical background. His wording was imprecise but suitable for that audience. A more precise description would just have lost his audience that much more quickly. But then again, my master's degree (and career, before I retired) was just in psychology.
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  • joreymay wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    joreymay wrote:

    null0trooper wrote: Also, silt doesn't float around in water.


    That's like saying that dust doesn't float around in air. Given enough time and very calm water, the silt will settle out (until it is disturbed again). And some kinds of silt will settle out faster than others. Yes, it has negative buoyancy (it sinks), It floats in the same sense that a feather floats in the air.


    *sigh*

    Silt is transported in moving water because it doesn't take much force acting on individual particles - usually as a result of turbulent flow - to give it any vector other than "down". I don't consider that "floating", but then again, I only have a master's degree in geology.


    Dust is transported in moving air because it doesn't take much force acting on individual particles - usually as a result of turbulent flow - to give it any vector other than "down". In the vernacular, that is called "floating" (as is a feather kept aloft by moving air). Tyler was not giving a technical paper, he was describing another person's interest in something that was not his field to an audience that lacked a relevant technical background. His wording was imprecise but suitable for that audience. A more precise description would just have lost his audience that much more quickly. But then again, my master's degree (and career, before I retired) was just in psychology.


    Interestingly enough, my hydrology classes in college were offered through the school's geology department. They didn't focus on sediment transport - that being more of interest to physical geology, and more specifically to sedimentology. Either way, my position title when I retired was "hydrologist". The fields are more closely related than you might expect.

    Edit: I don't know how referring to silt being suspended in water instead of saying it floats provides a psychological barrier for a non-technical audience, but that wasn't the point I was attempting to make.

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  • Given how how the THX seems to create a state not dissimilar from behaviour seen in the Workshop students... A devisor drug? Really? :silly:

    Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
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  • null0trooper wrote: I don't know how referring to silt being suspended in water instead of saying it floats provides a psychological barrier for a non-technical audience, but that wasn't the point I was attempting to make.


    More relevantly, it wasn't the point Tyler was trying to make. In that instance, "floats" economically conveys the observation rather than the underlying mechanism. Do you raise a similar rant every time an author uses "sunrise/sunset", "waxing/waning/full/new" moon, constellations, "blue/black" sky, the stars "coming out", clouds (or the moon) "turning red", or any other common terms where the observation doesn't technically match the underlying mechanism? Even astrophysicists, use those observational terms when the underlying mechanism is not the central point of what they are saying.

    Are the underlying mechanisms of any of those so difficult as to provide a psychological barrier to a non technical audience? Would using the technically more accurate descriptions rather than the observational terms make the story more readable or less readable, or the character's statement more or less relatable to the other characters? When "Tyler tried to compact a wide and diverse group of studies into context that a 10-year-old could understand," would she have thought that making the distinction you raise really would have advanced that effort? That is the point.
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  • Mister D wrote:

    mhalpern wrote: statistically speaking, they should NOT be running into super villains that often something is seriously wrong there


    Since it's a Bek. D. Corbin story, what are the odds that one of the people in the hierarchy of the show's bureaucracy is working for the White Monks, or has one of the White Monk's catspaw's as a sponsor for the show?


    From the description of their actions in Indonesia, and the attitude copped by Bronze (who was empowered in said event - though one gets the sense that the family seems somewhat dismayed or disapproving of that...) I would have already figured that the Havocs were almost certainly White Monks, at least the parents - both Miles Havoc and Gloria Garland read a lot like the descriptions of the Wildes, both in their 'I am a bright shining example' PR and their behind the scenes skulduggery.

    While I had some inkling that Dr. Helen Smart and her boytoy might be White Robes, in what little we've seen of her she never seemed to have the underhandedness that a lot of the White Monks 'best and brightest' seem to have when they think no one is looking. Like with Professor Quartermain, I suspect she is more a dupe than an actual agent, but one who is very much in line with their goals.

    I have a similar picture of Dr. Quest - she has all the same qualities the White Robes look for, except for the ruthlessness. Tom, however, is a likely recruit for them, which might put Linda Havoc's place on the Diogenes in a new light - would the White Monks stoop to sending a teen to do silk work? Hell, yeah!

    I briefly entertained the thought that Linda was behind it, with the same sort of plan that Migraine had - test it out on someone else, then if it works, use it herself - out of jealousy for Melody, but that doesn't match with the disappointment one sees in Bronze. It is clear that the Havocs see superpowers as something of a cheat, something Bronze herself clearly feels given her clear but subtle disdain for both mutants and her own powers. I just can't see Linda (short for Melinda, perhaps, given all the 'M' names?) getting over that even out of sibling rivalry.

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  • Malady wrote:

    “And NO, I never did any THX, either 1138 or 1157, after that. Period.” Tyler squirmed uncomfortably and then admitted.


    I see what you mean.

    THX 1138 is a movie, though, so I thought he was trying for some levity, but no reason why it can't be a variant.


    As a quick note, the drugs THX-1138 (which is certainly a reference - Lucas himself inserts that number and combination of letters into most of his films, as a reference to his early work, much like the 'Club Obi Wan' in Temple of Doom) and Solon-3 was mentioned previously by Jadis as things her father had cooked up before. In "No Beast So Fierce" :

    “Yes, I agree, dumping THX-1138 into the drinking supply of Biloxi WAS going too far, but try telling that to my father! I know, 11% of the population had bad reactions to it, but the public schools in the greater Biloxi area showed a 23% increase in test scores. That’s got to mean something!”


    and

    “No, Glor, for once, I’m with my dad on this one. He’s not forcing anyone to use Solon-3. I think that if someone wants to use an Intelligence Boosting drug, that’s their right. It’s only addictive in that people really LIKE being smarter. As a matter of fact, I think that in the light of the initial FDA test results, it’s very suspicious that the FDA made illegal a drug that would make the average American smarter and let them learn more easily.”


    In case you haven't noticed, there are few things Bek loves more than subtle references and callbacks, often (as in case of the Wilde Boys, who Bek has described as a reference to the Rover Boys stories) ones so subtle hardly anyone will catch them.

    So, presumably THX-1157 was an unsuccessful attempt to improve on THX-1138, while Solon-5 was a more successful improvement on Solon-3.

    I am guessing that there might be a reference in '1157' that I am missing, for that matter.

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  • Sorry for three separate posts in a row, but I should add that one of my own theories follows Valentine's, though not quite the way I think Valentine had in mind:

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  • ... So. Bek D Corbin, Gen 2, involving Jadis... Can I have a–



    Thanks. And now... May Butcher, Gygax and Philemon have mercy, because this time I'm going at it including quotes. And a true first reading too.

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    Well, it took far longer than I expected when I began this post (having to salvage it back from Internet crash twice didn't do any favor to my timetable too). And it was totally worth it, and the story leaves me only wanting more of the same and to see how it will end (and more of that Diogenes thing, although I'm pessimistic about it. The silos goes without saying, and seems much more likely). I already made my theory about the situation clear. We'll see how the dices roll. I just hope I'll be able to do that faster next time.
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  • Bek is aware this is the Whataley Academy website right? How long has it been since Bek's written a story that (for the most part) takes place on campus?

    Aside from that bit of ribbing, this is classic Bek. Yet another instantly likable character, I can wait to never make to campus. :)
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  • I was working on the Wiki page for this story and stumbled into something that seems an editing mistake...

    Linda Havoc (and Melody Havoc) are said to be the children of Dr. Miles... Hazard? Why the different surname? And looking back into "Diamonds", Melody's dad is said to be Dr. Miles Havoc. So I'm assuming that "Hazard" was a typo.

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    Never said it was a bad thing. Bek just seems far more likely to roam off campus than the other authors.
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  • And... it's not looking too good for Team Ty. That's looking like a five-yard gene-splicing and maybe a flight penalty on top of that when we're already on 2nd down and down 1 laptop. Good thing they have Ms. OCD-and-Rightfully-Paranoid on special teams!

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  • Yeah, no matter that she just went 100 meters straight up and hovered, they are still going to try to say that Tyler tried to escape. You know someone, like Jadis ought to suggest to Ty that she needs a name that is at least used by both girls and boys.
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  • Anne wrote: Yeah, no matter that she just went 100 meters straight up and hovered, they are still going to try to say that Tyler tried to escape. You know someone, like Jadis ought to suggest to Ty that she needs a name that is at least used by both girls and boys.


    Taylor?

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  • null0trooper wrote: And... it's not looking too good for Team Ty. That's looking like a five-yard gene-splicing and maybe a flight penalty on top of that when we're already on 2nd down and down 1 laptop. Good thing they have Ms. OCD-and-Rightfully-Paranoid on special teams!


    Don't forget Parky, and...

    mhalpern wrote: Good news is the Reds basically implied Jubal is dirty in front of witnesses


    This. Between Parky and Jadis, this sucker is already thrown out in Alaskan winter. And I dare think the desperate struggle for the briefcase means he couldn't tamper with it before. And at least that's more evidence against him.

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    Anne wrote: Yeah, no matter that she just went 100 meters straight up and hovered, they are still going to try to say that Tyler tried to escape. You know someone, like Jadis ought to suggest to Ty that she needs a name that is at least used by both girls and boys.


    Taylor?


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  • Anne wrote: Yeah, no matter that she just went 100 meters straight up and hovered, they are still going to try to say that Tyler tried to escape. You know someone, like Jadis ought to suggest to Ty that she needs a name that is at least used by both girls and boys.

    they can SAY that but Jadis is going to have them review the footage. As for a new name it could be anything, "Trevor" isn't exactly similar to 'Ayla"... Though considering possible sense of humor and classical literature, "Terry" could be reference to Tiresias...

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  • Anne wrote: Yeah, no matter that she just went 100 meters straight up and hovered, they are still going to try to say that Tyler tried to escape. You know someone, like Jadis ought to suggest to Ty that she needs a name that is at least used by both girls and boys.


    Is this the first time that she exhibited the ability to fly?

    If so, then as it's a new ability, she would be able to claim that she couldn't control it at first.


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  • Does anyone with a bit of connection to how the world really works think that a place run by the likes of the colonel with an employee like Jubal will not do their best to say that she was trying to escape and toss her back into the red silo? Or even solitary confinement?
    Because she is being framed, by whom we don't know, but her friend Suzi has a point, a very valid point, that is that after the death of Hughie (and I think that his death and Leo's are more closely connected than we're being led to believe) that Tyler was not functioning in a way that would have permitted him to be the perp.
    That however probably made him a pretty decent patsy.
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  • I think it's Hughie, and he faked his death, and wants to get back at Tyler and Leo for some mistaken case of 'You killed me by insisting we go to the island'. Lennox is in on it, and doctored the evidence so that no one would think that Hughie is still alive.

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  • Malady wrote: ... I thought this was in the Arctic, not the Argentines... Or is it the Arctic??

    It's taking place in the Arctic (Alaska, specifically) and Tyler is worried that she'll be extradited to Argentina if things don't work out.

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  • But what if it actually WAS Tyler? Bek has shown us the sociopathic state Tyler slips into isn't fully under her control. These kids were all sort of egotistical to a degree, and super competitive for the "lead role."

    It could be Tyler. Or it could be anyone on the show.

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    What place in the world would accept a sociopathic changeling with exemplar strength and a focus in geology who is worried about extradition?

    ;)

    Hey, someone has to watch the lava dome.
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  • One uptake I realized, Project Square One has flak coming to them for civil rights violations on Tyler's behalf regardless of how the case goes, now it would be VERY bad for the project if it got hit with that directly, so what if in exchange for cooperation, Jadis and Parky proposed directing those charges at Jubal to get him to talk, if Jadis really didn't want the existance of evidence Ty would find in their session to get out, she would have had it done in private, getting the dirty one inside to expose themselves would be far more valuable.

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  • I think Tyler is a possibility (remember Bek is fond of mentioning The Murder of Roger Ackroyd), I think Leo is a possibility, but I have a hard time believing that Hughie is a possibility for the perp.

    I mean, Hughie died right in front of everybody, with maybe a dozen EMT-trained people (including Tyler) examining him immediately for any life signs. None of those realizing he might be alive strikes me as... well... as unlikely as Chicago and New York agreeing on what is a good pizza.

    For Hughie to be the perp, it would have to be either an elaborate revenge-from-the-grave that worked automatically after he died (and why would he even bother to set up such a thing?) or an it-was-really-a-Doombot-clone plot twist, which would mean Hughie was after revenge because his clone had died in an accident caused in large part for his disobeying orders and going all Icarus and show-off.

    I also think Suzy got to be in the "suspects" group for a very simple reason: she is the only from the group who is interested in what Ty is doing. Why? She might be checking if Ty is not getting too close...

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  • You do have to wonder what Suzi is up to when Ty said that she wasn't really a friend. Then again, if I had to pick anyone as a friend I would pick Hughie and Ty as shipping. Certainly Ty acts more like a lover by his own report and Suzi, than just a good friend. Now maybe Hughie is just the first person with whom Ty has connected, but that doesn't negate the amount of affection that Ty had invested in him. That it might not tend toward sexual is not to say that Ty had formed a very strong attachment to Hughie.
    Now, I still say that there is a connection between the death of Hughie and Leo. What it is I'm not sure, but I don't think that it is entirely coincidental either.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: I think Tyler is a possibility (remember Bek is fond of mentioning The Murder of Roger Ackroyd), I think Leo is a possibility, but I have a hard time believing that Hughie is a possibility for the perp.

    I mean, Hughie died right in front of everybody, with maybe a dozen EMT-trained people (including Tyler) examining him immediately for any life signs. None of those realizing he might be alive strikes me as... well... as unlikely as Chicago and New York agreeing on what is a good pizza.

    For Hughie to be the perp, it would have to be either an elaborate revenge-from-the-grave that worked automatically after he died (and why would he even bother to set up such a thing?) or an it-was-really-a-Doombot-clone plot twist, which would mean Hughie was after revenge because his clone had died in an accident caused in large part for his disobeying orders and going all Icarus and show-off.

    I also think Suzy got to be in the "suspects" group for a very simple reason: she is the only from the group who is interested in what Ty is doing. Why? She might be checking if Ty is not getting too close...


    Unless the Hughie that died was a clone, another possibility is Izzy the linguist, presented the opportunity to understand the language that is the human genome, and eventually use it on her self as for her Alabi, she could have gotten footage to use as dirt on Linda, on the island where Hughie died, Ty was analyzing a piece of stone with writing because she was MIA, as for the second chamber, it was on the third Zodiac.

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  • A couple other points I failed to mention in my previous post...

    Leo's death is much more likely than Hughie's to have been faked. I mean, it is stated that he was identified only by personal effects and forensic dentistry. Personal effects are pretty much useless as positive identification -- they are more like a hint; and dental analysis can be defeated, either by a really meticulous villain bothering to forge the teeth in the decoy body, or (more simply) by swapping Leo's dental records with a doctored one.

    Considering that Bek is known for reusing names (DuPraeve, anyone?), the existence of a character named Hughie who died before the story proper began and whose death had a profound impact on the protagonist is... interesting. I mean, check Of Masks and Marvels...

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  • Sir Lee wrote: A couple other points I failed to mention in my previous post...

    Leo's death is much more likely than Hughie's to have been faked. I mean, it is stated that he was identified only by personal effects and forensic dentistry. Personal effects are pretty much useless as positive identification -- they are more like a hint; and dental analysis can be defeated, either by a really meticulous villain bothering to forge the teeth in the decoy body, or (more simply) by swapping Leo's dental records with a doctored one.

    Considering that Bek is known for reusing names (DuPraeve, anyone?), the existence of a character named Hughie who died before the story proper began and whose death had a profound impact on the protagonist is... interesting. I mean, check Of Masks and Marvels...


    Of course the question is what would Leo's motive be?

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  • Leo wouldn't have to be the villain for his death to be faked. Consider someone who wants to abduct Leo for whatever reason, and does not want the concerted effort to find him that would happen if he just disappeared. Faking his death means that people would mourn, but nobody would be looking for Leo.

    The second attack on Ty might be just a further distraction, aiming to (a) distract people from further investigating if the thing found in the first chamber was indeed Leo, and (b) supply a patsy. Why let Ty alive, then? Two goals, really: 1) if both "experiments" had failed, somebody might notice enough differences between the two corpses to wonder why they ARE different, and 2) To establish a sequence of "prototype failure, bugs identified, final run succesful," Also, the villain might be counting on people being more willing to scapegoat an (assumed) transgender, living, superhuman than a dead teenager -- the villain wants people to be emotional and irrational.

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    For starters, any of the three countries run by supervillains. Then add any that want to exploit her.
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    My main suspect is Doctor Chase, with the motivation of her Malice Upgrade breaking down, like so many Super Soldier solutions and nanotechs methods, and she's desperately looking for guinea pigs for a cure, at worst with utter selfishness, at best because she's the only person giving a damn about the kids onboard, and THX sociopathy tells her one or two kids are worth less than her survival to protect the rest of them. Heck, maybe it's nudging her towards tanking the show so the danger stops for good by staging this murder mistery. And maybe Leo and Suzy are complicits for saving her/putting an end to te show (Suzy's distress looked like pretty much on cue for finding the body there, a 'dead' Leo is the perfect ghost and easy to set up with the state of the 'corpse', and Suzy being the only one keeping the tabs on Tyler makes her suspiscious at best).

    And of course, the whole piece of floating scrape is a Doc Cambion 2.0 scam aimed at science instead of magic this time, with kids super-geniuses as logical next step of 'talented young people' scammed by Cambion, and for free this time. And as an additional cover, I mean who would be twisted enough to use kids that way? *nudge nudge, wink wink*
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  • Dr Chase has been hovering around number two or three as my suspect for this. Maybe it is just me and maybe it is just the way Bek has written Lennox, but he has consistently been my top suspect. He has opportunity, and probably motive too. He is one of the few people who can control where cameras are, and what sort of footage gets shown as well. So if he isn't the prime suspect he certainly makes a good suspect as a henchman. I think, that given some of what Sir Lee points out, Leo should not be ruled out as a suspect. He may have wanted to disappear so put another body in that tank... As far as Suzi goes? Oh yeah, she's been tasked by whoever did the dirty deed to keep tabs on Ty, either wittingly or unwittingly, but she is at best a cat's paw, and at worst a willing accomplice.
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    It would explain flight and other powers Dr. Chase doesn't have.

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  • A Jeckyl/Hyde scenario also fits Logan. He was Ty's supplier for the Solon-5, but that doesn't mean his supplier was always on the up-and-up. Then again, who knows yet whether the two adaptation chambers were made by or for the same person?

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  • null0trooper wrote: A Jeckyl/Hyde scenario also fits Logan. He was Ty's supplier for the Solon-5, but that doesn't mean his supplier was always on the up-and-up. Then again, who knows yet whether the two adaptation chambers were made by or for the same person?


    they where near identical, this implies common manufacturer,

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  • mhalpern wrote:

    null0trooper wrote: A Jeckyl/Hyde scenario also fits Logan. He was Ty's supplier for the Solon-5, but that doesn't mean his supplier was always on the up-and-up. Then again, who knows yet whether the two adaptation chambers were made by or for the same person?


    they where near identical, this implies common manufacturer,

    Does it though? Or is that just one more red herring for us all to go sniffing after.
    Bek writes so many squirrels in her story you can never tell which one to Chase and as sure as you go after one the others pile on your fourth point of contact.
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  • So, I'm putting out there that Leo faked his own death. It's as plausible as any other theory.
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  • ^ - Where did he go then? Did he somehow get off the boat? Or is still hiding there???

    Lol if Leo got transformed into one of the other boys, and is hiding amongst them, and the one he replaced was actually the one in the tank.

    Lol if Leo's a malicious second personality hiding inside the THX fugue or something. ... But we've got nothing that points to that.
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  • I have a gottya theory that I think is plausible, its the girl interested in ghosts, i forget who that was, trying to prove their existence by observing their creation this all revolves around the theory that the "Upgrade" was supposed to kill Tyler and Ty manifesting is the only reason she is alive, that's why the Malice Upgrade was used to kill instead of any other way, as for Hughie, he's a red herring

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  • Hughie is a red herring? Well when you're running a FUD operation all red herrings are useful in some way. You may be right. Often in a Bek story we don't see the actual antagonist because she works so hard to make sure that you have your attention elsewhere. This one is worse, because we're only really seeing Tyler's recollection of the events. I really don't suspect Tyler of actually actively trying to do a Malice upgrade... Then again... His attachment to Hughie was very powerful, Maybe he fixated on Leo being responsible for Hughie's death? Then he decided the problem was that even though Hughie wasn't focusing on girls that the best way to make sure that the next time he was that attracted to a man he would have a set of tits to help hold the guy's attention....
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  • Anne wrote: Hughie is a red herring? Well when you're running a FUD operation all red herrings are useful in some way. You may be right. Often in a Bek story we don't see the actual antagonist because she works so hard to make sure that you have your attention elsewhere. This one is worse, because we're only really seeing Tyler's recollection of the events. I really don't suspect Tyler of actually actively trying to do a Malice upgrade... Then again... His attachment to Hughie was very powerful, Maybe he fixated on Leo being responsible for Hughie's death? Then he decided the problem was that even though Hughie wasn't focusing on girls that the best way to make sure that the next time he was that attracted to a man he would have a set of tits to help hold the guy's attention....

    We know what happened to Leo is connected to Ty, same mechanism, Hughie however died a different way, could have been a complete accident and Ty is just too hung up over it and wants someone to blame, other possible motive, for Suzy: Leo and she where breaking up,

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  • Crazy Guess, 'cause I was rereading The Big Idea:

    Migraine escaped from ARC, hid on the ship, and manipulated things, with the transformations as testing cures for her condition.
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  • Wow!

    That conclusion! And sorta new characters! ... Wonder who they are.

    Scooby-Doo refs! Woah!

    How Jadis actually got involved is an interesting route!

    And the explanation at the end is sorta sad and sweet.

    I wonder if there's a better version of THX that's coming soon. Or the old version will be making an appearance in Gen1, along with Malice Upgrades?

    Sequel? With a bit of romance, perhaps?
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  • Malady wrote: That conclusion! And sorta new characters! ... Wonder who they are.


    We've seen Nacht and Ringo before. I'm guessing that Gwen used to go by the nom-de-guerre "Stormy". JeriCorp. Would that be a holding company set up by Phase to manage Joe Turner's innovations?

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  • Who is Gwen?
    Is Blue Ringo or is Blue actually Paige Donner masquerading as Ringo?
    Oh nice fake there Bek, I really had Suzi a bit further down the list of suspects. Also typical of a Bek story lots of double, triple and further crossing at the top while everyone scrambles to eviscerate the golden goose...
    I really did think that whoever had done the crime had to have used the GURD either A or B.
    The inside latch really was a clue that Tyler had not deliberately put himself in the chamber. Also, as noted one went in head first, the other feet first...
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  • Yolandria wrote: My guess on Gwen would be Absinthe. Magic + MCO kinda gave it a way.

    Gwen was described as:

    young lady with short dark hair and kittenish features.

    That is definitely not Absinthe, null's guess about Gwen having gone by Stormy is probably correct, as she could still use magic even after having the raven removed from her. Plus after being saved by Nacht probably became friends with her.

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  • Anne wrote: The inside latch really was a clue that Tyler had not deliberately put himself in the chamber. Also, as noted one went in head first, the other feet first...


    Head-first entry (Leo) really would have required an assistant, else he could not have pulled the hatch at his feet closed.

    Feet-first entry (Tyler) puts the body bag closure and the chamber hatch within reach, so the frame works. Sort of.


    "I Get It!” Linda blurted out. “The chamber’s so tight that there’s no way to get any leverage. You could tear yourself out of the wash-bag and all that, but the chamber would keep your arms against your side.


    The cylinder has to be wide enough to accomodate the subject's chest and shoulders. Some bondage "sleep sacks" are made with internal sleeves because otherwise the arms are not as restrained as one might think.

    However, let's say the chamber is that confining. That means that Tyler still could not have closed the hatch or the bag by himself, and an assistant is needed.


    If you’re feet-first, with your head against the hatch, you’re trapped! But if you’re head-first, with your feet against the hatch, you can just KICK your way out!


    In either orientation, you work your hands up past your neck and head, brace, and then try to power your way out. Otherwise, your body goes sliding on the gunk that spilled out when you broke the bag in the opposite direction of the kick. Head-first. That's gonna hurt.

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  • Lovely legal wrangling ♥
    If this is Jads' 'C' game, I can't wait to see the end of Diamonds are a Vamp's Best Friend. Assuming her 'B' game there?

    I'm definitely not sure who Gwen is. It's not Absinthe, unless she got a dye job, and at first I thought it was Cyberkitty until she was named. Perhaps there's a bit more backstory we'll see eventually in Gen 1?

    Also, glad to see Nacht is doing well, and is still one of Jadis' closest friends and business associates. Put a smile on my face for sure. Nacht has just as much going on in her life that something horrible (even for her!) certainly could have happened at an Easter or yet another Christmas or worse...Thanksgiving!!!!

    One theme of this I really enjoyed was the Step One kids. They're exuberant fans, playful, earnest kids who help ground Tyler. They also expose a flaw of any "genius," detectives, conspiracy theorists, or even regular engineer types...they overthink things.

    Suzy's plan was elaborate and confounded all of the other Wiz Kids, and the FBI. She had a goal within plans within plans within red herrings and conspiracies. She (and Leo) planted so many false leads that had everyone thinking they were smarter than everyone else. They frame Tyler, who in turn identifies Glynis, or Lennox. Tyler found it all right from the start, but missed the crucial element.

    It takes a cute little girl to bring things back into perspective and wonder why someone wouldn't just smashify their way out. And then, all the misleading evidence falls away, the motive becomes simple, and the distractions like the business scam fall away from the murder.

    Jads was right. She certainly knew in true Jadis Explains It All fashion, but having Tyler and the kids figure it out was important for their collective personal growth.
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  • I'm going with Stormy too. Points in favor:
    1. Magic user.
    2. Previous contact via Nacht
    3. If she made it to Whateley (I think I remember seeing her in the new batch of freshmen, but I'm not really sure), as the daughter of Mr. Magic (which Nacht knows) she would be eligible for membership in the Bad Seeds; therefore, Jadis would come to know her fairly well over the years
    4. Most important of all: Stormy is a Bek character, meaning that Bek can use her in Gen2 without stepping on anyone else's long-term plans for the character.

    (I wondered for a while if it might be Glorianna... because I'm really sleepy right now and couldn't remember either her name or codename, only that she was the "Guinevere" of the Capes class of 2007, that is, in my sleep-addled brain there was some chance of her being actually called Gwen. One minute of research put the kibosh in that hypothesis.)

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: I'm going with Stormy too. Points in favor:
    1. Magic user.
    2. Previous contact via Nacht
    3. If she made it to Whateley (I think I remember seeing her in the new batch of freshmen, but I'm not really sure), as the daughter of Mr. Magic (which Nacht knows) she would be eligible for membership in the Bad Seeds; therefore, Jadis would come to know her fairly well over the years
    4. Most important of all: Stormy is a Bek character, meaning that Bek can use her in Gen2 without stepping on anyone else's long-term plans for the character.

    (I wondered for a while if it might be Glorianna... because I'm really sleepy right now and couldn't remember either her name or codename, only that she was the "Guinevere" of the Capes class of 2007, that is, in my sleep-addled brain there was some chance of her being actually called Gwen. One minute of research put the kibosh in that hypothesis.)


    On top of that, the descriptions of the face match, and there is that genie she pilfered during Silent Nacht used against Suzy (wonder if she still got that pidgeon spirit who was giving the witches their powers initially)... I want to know what happened during that Spring Break for Gloriana to decide Nacht should be rushed with Jadis... And if Gwen was also there back then.

    I'm working on my review, but I guess it's as good as moment as any to salute the conclusion of the mystery part, with formal apologies to Docotr Chase. Eh, she could have made a convincing Left Field Not So Out Of Nowhere suspect. Suzy was also prime suspect material for being the only one trying to keep tabs on Tyler post clusterduck. Funny everyone missed the idea 'Maybe Leo tampered wiith a super-soldier formula... to get super-powers?'
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  • I hope we get to see more with Tyler, i get the feeling that this is the start of a wonderful relationship between The Quest Foundation and Project Square One.

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  • I want to kick myself. In Part 2 I was feeling a Columbo-esque vibe from Tyler's chats with Suzie. But I guessed Leo faked his death instead of saying Suzie was the villain. Dang it.
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  • And the finale is there. Who was right in this little murder mystery? How far can the 'Jadis Diab–Frost' counter rise? All questions getting answers now.

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    The twists, the world-building, the puns, the everything... What, you expected more? This story was great, there is only so much you can say when the ride is so good. My chief nitpick would be... Set up Jubal's eventual firing. This guy showed the sort of attitude not acceptable for a site like that, humour about vacations or not. But eh, I fully trust the off-screen of a story like that for doing it.

    That said, I also wants to salute what I consider as one of the big strengths of Bek's writing, beyond the twists: reread value. For me, while enjoying a plot twist for the first time might be impressive, you can only judge them as truly awesome when rereading the story, knowing what's going on, you still marvel at how the whole thing is marching towards its conclusion (might explain my...cavalier approach when it comes to spoilers concerning the things I read/watch/play. Never spoiling for others intentionally though). If it doesn't, the thing was a one-shot and probably not that awesome anyways. As another example, I always feels like my guts are wrenched when I read the Red Wedding, and I was spoiled the first time I read it. Bek does at least as well when it comes to writing, and I'll be eagerly waiting for more of her stories. We so need more about Tyler, and all her characters (Personal pick if I was forced one in a life or death moment though? Loose Cannons). Just try it, I don't really see a story written by Bek not getting mucho better at second read, or more,why not indulge?

    Also, will any story ever top that Jadis Diab–Frost: 37 count? Curious to know the answer.
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  • Well likely the story where Jadis changes her last name or the ones immediately following will top it. As for Jubal, how many licensed councilors are willing to work with dangerous clients? How many of said councilors can get clearances to work on a military base? How long will it take to find and acquire the proper clearances for said councilor? Depending on when his contract is up, it might make more sense to just wait it out and leave black marks on his resume, It will be hard for him to find a job when word gets out about it no matter how its phrased.

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  • Hardric wrote: And the finale is there. Who was right in this little murder mystery? How far can the 'Jadis Diab–Frost' counter rise? All questions getting answers now.

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    The twists, the world-building, the puns, the everything... What, you expected more? This story was great, there is only so much you can say when the ride is so good. My chief nitpick would be... Set up Jubal's eventual firing. This guy showed the sort of attitude not acceptable for a site like that, humour about vacations or not. But eh, I fully trust the off-screen of a story like that for doing it.

    That said, I also wants to salute what I consider as one of the big strengths of Bek's writing, beyond the twists: reread value. For me, while enjoying a plot twist for the first time might be impressive, you can only judge them as truly awesome when rereading the story, knowing what's going on, you still marvel at how the whole thing is marching towards its conclusion (might explain my...cavalier approach when it comes to spoilers concerning the things I read/watch/play. Never spoiling for others intentionally though). If it doesn't, the thing was a one-shot and probably not that awesome anyways. As another example, I always feels like my guts are wrenched when I read the Red Wedding, and I was spoiled the first time I read it. Bek does at least as well when it comes to writing, and I'll be eagerly waiting for more of her stories. We so need more about Tyler, and all her characters (Personal pick if I was forced one in a life or death moment though? Loose Cannons). Just try it, I don't really see a story written by Bek not getting mucho better at second read, or more,why not indulge?

    Also, will any story ever top that Jadis Diab–Frost: 37 count? Curious to know the answer.


    Well Tyler attending Whateley during the off season does make sense, given her abilities and the target bigots will place on her back and the fact that Whateley offers college level courses, entering as a sophomore or junior makes sense and I would not be surprised if Jadis gave Dr Chase the broucher and application forms,

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  • I have just started reading whateley and related stories and I found a weird coincidence. There were three Gwens in whateley: 1) Stormy (previously Artie) 2) Absinthe (previously Adam) and 3) Witch Girl (previously Gideon). I was surprised that these three charcters were all of the Wiz-type. Is there any references in real life or DC/Marvel that could explain these coincidences?
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  • ebony841 wrote: 2) Absinthe (previously Adam) and 3) Witch Girl (previously Gideon). I was surprised that these three charcters were all of the Wiz-type. Is there any references in real life or DC/Marvel that could explain these coincidences?

    Witch Girl is from Morpheus' Legacy Universe and not Whateley...but same author as Abbie.
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  • Was rereading Professional Courtesy for Blue Diamond, and now wondering...

    Is Talon's treatment, the Malice Upgrade? ... It makes the users angry, randomly-ish? ... So the name fits?
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