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Question The left margin needs to be a little wider.

9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #1 by konzill
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  • I've found that both on my computer and my tablet the addvertisments overlap the content on default zoom. As I suspect the Adds are necesary to support the existence of the site, is it possible to tweek the stylesheet to give the left margin a little more width so this dosn't happen?
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    9 years 5 months ago #2 by annachie
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  • Try zooming in. :)
    9 years 5 months ago #3 by Kristin Darken
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  • The sidebars, left and right, are relative to the total width of your screen. So, yes... if you use an 800 width pixel resolution, you will need to 'zoom out' twice (using control - ) to get your left sidebar menu to look 'right.' It'll probably take more to handle right side because of the length of article names.

    But I'm going to be blunt because people keep coming back to these display issues. I don't design for 'one size fits all' ... web site standards left 800x600 screens a LONG time ago. I've built the basic layout of this site to serve people 'best' in a landscape/widescreen format with at least 1280x720 resolution. But it will work without significant reshaping down to 800x600 ish if you zoom out a bit... once at 1024x768, and again at 800x600. Below that? No, it doesn't work well. The Google ads we're running are based on desktop resolutions, not on mobile devices. Forums software in general is not intended for display and use on mobiles. And the types of menu structures and access to site content that a site needs to create for mobiles is generally vastly different.

    That's why most companies with strong online presences have TWO or more sites, to detect smaller displays/mobile devices... and they have specially designed sites (usually much more limited to keep the overall site map less complicated/cleaner) for people visiting with mobiles. Or apps.

    I don't have an IT department. At the moment, my focus is on security. Second priority is getting the old content loaded. Third is getting up all the help and how to articles necessary to stop people from asking how to do something ten times a day. 4th is providing new content. Fifth is recovering the old forums in archive and/or reference material formats.

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    9 years 5 months ago #4 by Kettlekorn
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  • Nah, the margins are fine. The real problem is that the sidebar scales and the ad does not. The solution is to just add a minimum width to the sidebar, like so:
    #sidebar { min-width: 160px; }

    That way it will still scale, but it won't let itself shrink so much that the ad spills out.

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    9 years 5 months ago #5 by Kristin Darken
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  • And that still falls on my priority list... where?

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    9 years 5 months ago #6 by annachie
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  • So low down that it's after creating a low priority list? ;)

    Since the soloution is to zoom - until it works, or zoom + until it drops to single column mode.
    9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #7 by Kettlekorn
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  • Kristin Darken wrote: And that still falls on my priority list... where?

    *shrug* I usually have my browser windows at around 1100px wide, so the issue doesn't even affect me. But I was curious whether CSS had a min-width property and whether that would actually work. Turned out the answers are yes. Having already established that for fun, I figured I might as well post it in case you're poking at the CSS at some point in the future and think, "Hey, as long as I'm in here, let's try that read-made solution to that one problem those people were complaining about a while back." And if you never do, what have I lost? The time it took to make a post. Big deal. :)

    Meanwhile anybody who is bugged by it and doesn't want to mess with zooming can use one of those custom CSS browser add-ons to correct it for themselves.

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    9 years 5 months ago #8 by Kristin Darken
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  • Well, most of the people with problems with the sidebar widths are people with smart phone pixel resolutions... in which case, dedicating 160 px wide to mandatory width is actually the opposite of what they want. What 'really' needs to happen for mobiles is a single menu panel that can 'hide' off screen until needed with no 'sidebars' at all... and no large ads (or none at all) so the full screen space is viable forum/reading width. And even that will work better with landscape than portrait (for some reason people still use devices in portrait mode). But THAT requires a completely separate site template. If someone wants to create that Joomla site template and not charge me several hundred dollars for permission to use and modify it... go for it. I know what it needs, I just only have so much time to work on it.

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    9 years 5 months ago #9 by Valentine
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  • Kristin Darken wrote: And that still falls on my priority list... where?


    Right after posting the last story.

    And right before adding two pixels to the top margin.

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    9 years 5 months ago #10 by annachie
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  • Valentine wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: And that still falls on my priority list... where?


    Right after posting the last story.

    And right before adding two pixels to the top margin.


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    9 years 5 months ago #11 by mittfh
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  • This discussion reminds me of this famous quote:

    “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”


    This is an amateur site run with zero paid staff - pleasing the majority of the viewership is hard enough without trying to please every single browser / device / screen combination on the planet (e.g. "Why won't this display perfectly in Netscape Navigator 1.1N on a Windows 3.1 box with 8 MB memory, a 640x480 screen and 9600 baud modem?" [1])


    [1] Are those contemporarious specs or am I mixing up specs from different years?

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    9 years 5 months ago #12 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Thankfully, Kristin knows better than to try and carry the donkey .

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    9 years 5 months ago #13 by Warren
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  • Having run the site for years, I know what issues can pop up. When I was running it, I was always trying to design the pages to be viewed by the most people. I wanted the stories to be like reading from a book. Granted an ebook now. But I was following an axiom of keeping it simple. I only put ads on the top and bottom of the forum simply because it would cause the least headaches for me.

    Now for the flip side. All that "Keep it simple" made for a ton of work on my part. The new site is an overall improvement over the old one because the writers don't have to work directly with the web admins to get their content posted. They can submit it ask it to be edited if needed and then we can schedule the post ahead of time. Regularity of posting keeps fans interested and this new site promotes that. Sure there are going to be bumps in the road. We'll work through them.

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    9 years 5 months ago #14 by E M Pisek
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  • Well given the limited resources (people, time, money) I think you guys did a marvelous job within the amount of time when we lost the last one by they who shall remain nameless but considered many things unpleasant. But I digress.

    Given the amount of what's out there, different, screens, technology that keeps evolving than the mind can keep up at times as with the technical hurdles to even bring some of this to fruition I applaud the group of people behind the curtain. Open the curtain to show Mr and Mss Oz, take a much deserved bow, then snap it shut once again to protect the hidden tech behind it.

    We now return you back to those that wish to....

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    9 years 5 months ago #15 by konzill
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  • Min-width as Kettlekorn suggested is probably what would fix my issue. I've chekced the specks and I'm actually running on a higher resolution than the site is expeciting 1600 x 2560. I'm sorry if I hit a sore point with the maintainers of the site, I'm a new member and that was not my intension. However this being a new site I thought I was putting something constructive into the suggestion box.
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  • konzill wrote: Min-width as Kettlekorn suggested is probably what would fix my issue. I've chekced the specks and I'm actually running on a higher resolution than the site is expeciting 1600 x 2560. I'm sorry if I hit a sore point with the maintainers of the site, I'm a new member and that was not my intension. However this being a new site I thought I was putting something constructive into the suggestion box.


    The problem is, a new site there are lots of small and larger issues, so the few that are working on them ( read as Kristin and Warren only ) are getting stressed. We all want things fixed, it is just going to take time.

    Now we only need to get people to read previous postings on problems before posting so they can stop duplication of subjects, snce that only adds to the stress and irritates the admins.

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    9 years 5 months ago #17 by E M Pisek
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  • If there was a section that was marked. READ FIRST before asking questions, the answer might be here already. I'd suggest it. No I'm not taking a dig at anyone working on the site. I fully understand that this is relatively new with few people resources making it work. You've read my comments on what I think.

    But if time permits or if someone was willing to put together a quick guide to help out I'm sure they would appreciate it. Have it pinned on the front and those that welcome the new register should point it out FIRST as a way of saying CHECK HERE first, thus hopefully to answer a question before it is repeatedly placed in the forum.

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    9 years 5 months ago #18 by Kristin Darken
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  • Trust me when I say I know that help sheets and FAQ's would be useful. If you were able to see unpublished documents, you would discover that placeholders for those things already exist in the FAQ/Help section. But they ALSO require things to be stable... should I spend two hours writing out explanations and how to deal with the site as it is now when the next eight hours of work I spend on the site could render those documents inaccurate/useless?

    Everything takes time. Seriously. A site like this generally takes an IT team MONTHS to build and test before it is opened. I personally spent a week on the core basics, invited the canon authors, spent another week getting security tweaked and the basics imported while they poked around and got a feel for how to set up a story and do some editing and gave me some simple functionality feedback (Warren helped with some technical/admin details), and then opened this after two weeks of work... and it has now been open for one week. Three weeks 98% of the design/development work done by 1 person. One person who is also working 40+ hr work weeks at a paying job and only does the site setup after a full day of work. This site is open in the state it is currently in only because the alternative (no forums at all) would be worse.

    I love you all and I appreciate that you all want the site to feel like home again... but unless you are a professional Joomla coder/administrator able to solve permissions problems in your sleep; your advice is about six weeks too early to be listened to seriously. I have, literally, more than two hundred hours of work on my 'to do list' before I'll even consider everything officially set up. And that list does NOT count the time it will take the team to import all the old stories or recover some of our forums data in some sort of historical archive/posting.

    If your page loads in a chaotic order making it impossible to actually use the site? If your login loads you into something that looks nothing like the site? If your forum posts are being filled with encrypted text.? Then please let me know. Otherwise, let's just pretend the Suggestion forum is a placeholder for later...

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