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9 years 7 months ago #1 by jaesic
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    • Thursdays should be free cider day in the staff room.
    9 years 7 months ago #2 by NeoMagus
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    • jaesic wrote: Thursdays should be free cider day in the staff room.


    Why should only the staff benefit?

    I propose a storytelling club that meets around one or more of the fireplaces in Schuster every Thursday night to see who can spin the best yarn. Free hot apple cider and hot chocolate for all attendees!
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    9 years 7 months ago #3 by E. E. Nalley
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    • It's a little confusing how to change some profile settings as there are two separate profiles evidently. The Your Profile link in the box in the upper left corner does not link to the hidden and much harder to find 'Profile' link in the blue bar where you can change your avatar and do other profile type things. Any way to combine or cross link the two?
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    9 years 7 months ago #4 by elrodw
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    • Whatever font you changed to is kind of hard on my old eyes. It's ... distracting. Maybe that's only my opinion, but ... yeah.
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    9 years 7 months ago #5 by E. E. Nalley
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    • I agree, not a fan of fake hand writing fonts.
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    9 years 7 months ago - 9 years 7 months ago #6 by Kristin Darken
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    • elrodw wrote: Whatever font you changed to is kind of hard on my old eyes. It's ... distracting. Maybe that's only my opinion, but ... yeah.


    are you referring to the handwriting font or the other one? the 'other' one is the more important one at the moment... The "gloria hallelujah" font that's in the headers is just until I find the 'right' one... although the intent is something 'other' than a standard more or less generic font. In fact, to be 'honest', it's there to troll Ojaku about his complaint about fonts.... but I didn't want to admit to trolling people with site design choices. :)
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    • Kristin Darken wrote:

    elrodw wrote: Whatever font you changed to is kind of hard on my old eyes. It's ... distracting. Maybe that's only my opinion, but ... yeah.


    are you referring to the handwriting font or the other one? the 'other' one is the more important one at the moment... The "gloria hallelujah" font that's in the headers is just until I find the 'right' one... although the intent is something 'other' than a standard more or less generic font. In fact, to be 'honest', it's there to troll Ojaku about his complaint about fonts.... but I didn't want to admit to trolling people with site design choices. :)


    the fake handwriting font. it's not my favorite. mind you, I can live with it, so on the priority list, I'd put it about 43, but if you run out of things to do .....
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    9 years 7 months ago #8 by NeoMagus
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    • It just occurred to me that one thing this site is still missing is a link to the wiki. It's not really vital now, but once we fully move over here from the old site it would certainly be helpful.
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    • That's actually why I'm messing around with the menu, trying to add pull downs. Too many options up there, I needed to consolidate before I added more. Like the WIKI.
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    9 years 7 months ago #10 by Warren
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    • "content" is showing up as a different font for me.
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    9 years 7 months ago #11 by NeoMagus
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    • Warren wrote: "content" is showing up as a different font for me.


    Same for me, but I thought that was intentional, since that's the only tab that automatically shows a drop-down menu.
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    9 years 7 months ago - 9 years 7 months ago #12 by Kristin Darken
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    • Content was actually showing up as a bold, shadowed, grey text with improper font size and all caps... because it was classified as a menu header and evidently, that's what the CSS demands of its menu headers. :)

    It should now look like it actually belongs in that menu... except for color, reasoning evident when you mouse over or click on it and find that its a pull down instead of a button.

    How do you all feel about the font sets now? This is a pretty 'regular' handwriting font, which works nicely with the academy and writing themes of the site without being too irregular to read. And how about the other main fonts?


    BTW, I think I've got a handle on the front end permissions issue I was having... authors should have no problem editing their own articles now... and should also have editorial access on certain other things. And people who have the Editor usergroup (mostly just core canon) should be able to edit almost any document on the site. NOTE however, that you should not be able to change their state from published to unpublished or the reverse. Only an admin/superuser or someone with publisher usergroup can do that. Except for Blogs... almost anyone above registered member can edit and approve/publish blogs.
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    9 years 7 months ago #13 by NeoMagus
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    • Overall I think the fonts look pretty good. Of course I haven't had any issue with any of them you've tried so far, so I'm probably not the one of the main people that should weigh in.

    And just curious, is there a way for members to see what usergroups they are in, or is that a hidden feature that only admins can see?
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    • Well, its not terribly hidden because it defines everything that you can access. But no, it doesn't appear to be visible anywhere on the front end. easy to find on the admin site though. :)

    All the 2nd gen authors are in 2 usergroups: Registered and 2nd Gen Canon.
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    9 years 7 months ago - 9 years 7 months ago #15 by Kristin Darken
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    • BTW, if anyone does have a thought on font styles... free free to recommend anything from: www.google.com/fonts

    Replacing the headers that are currently using Architect's Daughter is relatively simple. Replacing the regular fonts used everywhere else takes a bit more effort (CSS file modifications).
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    9 years 7 months ago #16 by shadeofred
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    • The mobile site has a lot of issues with format. Ads that are normally on the side of the screen for desktop take up a massive scroll area in many parts of the page.

    Also, the menu buttons and things are a little unintuitive with how spread out they are over the layout. Might I suggest condensing all menus to a single set of buttons at the top?
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    • Also, I'm embarrassed to say it, but in the mobile view, I can't find how to change between pages In the same topic.... So I can't even see the post I just made.
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    • Well part of the problem is that there is no mobile site. Yet.

    I've been using a fluid layout and as much display relative design elements as possible given the templates and nature of the software involved; but that doesn't 'automatically' mean that mobile use is going to be ideal. I can say that IF you are trying to use a mobile device screen to view this site, you MUST use a landscape orientation with your device. Everything about the design is built for widescreen/horizontal space ... not vertical. Once we get the main site done, I'll take a look at mobile variants... but again, we're going to be somewhat limited by what the software allows unless we completely diverge from the software's development process. And I'm not expecting to spend THAT much coding time on the site, so just be aware that mobile use may never be 'idea'.

    And it shouldn't be expected to be. We'll do what we can to make sure the stories themselves can be copied to mobile and read that way... but for full interaction with the forums and web site? May be more challenging than its worth. I don't know of anyone who is running a forums that is truly ideal for mobiles.
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    9 years 7 months ago #19 by E M Pisek
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    • Not one to complain so early.

    Is it possible to 'expand' the area that the cursor can be used to select a topic in the pull down menu under 'Content"? I literately have to move my mouse cursor to just over the 'caveat' that points to the C then bring it down in order to keep it open, else it disappears and I have to redo the operation more slowly.
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    9 years 7 months ago - 9 years 7 months ago #20 by Kristin Darken
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    • hmm... sure. I can poke around with the CSS on that. You 'should' just be able to click on Content and the menu will open... it doesn't have to be a continual hover, I don't think.

    There... how's that?
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    • Hi Kristen,

    Clicking on the Content menu has never worked for me, on multiple devices.

    Can those of us using the site on devices without mice please, please, please beg for mouse over to be turned off and just a normal click used?

    Pretty please? With sugar on top?
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    • Thank-you, much much better.
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    9 years 7 months ago #23 by Kristin Darken
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    • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Hi Kristen,

    Clicking on the Content menu has never worked for me, on multiple devices.

    Can those of us using the site on devices without mice please, please, please beg for mouse over to be turned off and just a normal click used?

    Pretty please? With sugar on top?


    I'll think about it. There might be some way I can do the menus differently to solve the problem.. but there might not. To some extent I'm limited by what is possible without re-programming the software. But not much that I do is ever really going to work 'right' for users with real displays and those who are using 300x500 / 360x480 pixel screens. Anyone that tells you 'one size fits all' is lying to you. And hoping you'll buy something from them.
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    • What about 2048-by-1536 but touch screen only?

    Really, I don't have any issues with the site, it's only that mouse over that doesn't work for me (and I'm getting around it by using the Latest Articles and Tag links on the right for the moment).
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    • I don't have any problems with the menus on my tablets. But they're both 10" screens so I assumed the issue was screen size. Have you tried using a stylus instead of your finger?
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    • Must be Safari then, cause my tablets are 10" as well and my Macs have the same issue, only mouse over works, not clicking.

    When I get to work tomorrow I muck around with a Web Editor and see if I can work out what the problem is from this end.
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    • Whoops, sorry Kristen my bad, issue is at my end. Realised I block Google and apparently that menu is somehow getting caught up in that, apologies, you can ignore me again.
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    • Considering the site is hosted on a Google hosting Virtual Machine... you're probably lucky blocking google lets you access anything at all then. :)
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    9 years 7 months ago - 9 years 7 months ago #29 by Sir Lee
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    • I see you are reposting the Canon articles in its own special section (which is great), but... it seems that there is some sort of encoding issue with them -- the bullets on the subheadings appear to me as UTF-8 character triads.

    On a separate note, since the old forums are unavailable (and not really likely to be back in the same form and address, anyway), I have begun to update the Wiki links so they point to the new location of said articles. I'm waiting a bit on changing the links to the stories themselves, however, since the old links are still working...

    On a SECOND separate topic... what's the recommended/maximum size for avatar images? I had assumed that it was the same as in the alpha-test forum software (100x100 pixels), but I have noticed people with larger avatars.
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    • Yours appears to be 128x128, Kristin's is 120x120 - I'd say 150x150 would be pushing it and getting very close to the content box - so ideally not much larger than 130x130.

    As for the navigation, that's handled via lists and styled via css - so the navigation (and site) is usable in Lynx (which, of course, completely ignores all css and images together with any scripts that do graphical stuff). When the site was first created, the Content submenu was a little temperamental, but it appears to be fixed now.
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    • mittfh wrote: Yours appears to be 128x128, Kristin's is 120x120 - I'd say 150x150 would be pushing it and getting very close to the content box - so ideally not much larger than 130x130.

    As for the navigation, that's handled via lists and styled via css - so the navigation (and site) is usable in Lynx (which, of course, completely ignores all css and images together with any scripts that do graphical stuff). When the site was first created, the Content submenu was a little temperamental, but it appears to be fixed now.


    Actually, my avatar pic is approximately 145x145, and it looks like it's scaled down to 129x128, so I'm assuming that the largest it will show is 130x130, though apparently it does accept larger sizes.
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    • The profile pic I uploaded was 507x601. Obviously it was scaled down significantly, because it's not ridiculously huge. It's now 108x128.
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    • Hmmm. Some analysis of the actual avatar image files reveals that, for all of them, the largest dimension is 144px. Measuring both the avatar images and the light-grey-bordered box around them reveals that they apparently are not dynamically resized further down, and that the maximum size of the grey-bordered box appears to be 130x152 px. That leaves exactly 3 blank pixels between the grey border and the image, which is room enough for the rounded corners.

    So it appears that for all practical purposes, the maximum size for avatars is 144x144 pixels. Any larger image will be downsampled on upload.

    BUT, furthermore, images WIDER than about 122px seem to be dynamically shrunk to fit inside the grey box.
    So an image sized about 122x144 px (that is, about the size of ArcanistLupus' avatar) will actually be displayed *larger* than a square 144x144 image.
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: Considering the site is hosted on a Google hosting Virtual Machine... you're probably lucky blocking google lets you access anything at all then. :)


    I block google's add trackers and things like that (specific servers, not 'everything google'), something in the menu must be coming off one of the same servers or something, it was nighttime here, I choose sleep over investigations :p
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    • mittfh wrote: Yours appears to be 128x128, Kristin's is 120x120 - I'd say 150x150 would be pushing it and getting very close to the content box - so ideally not much larger than 130x130.

    As for the navigation, that's handled via lists and styled via css - so the navigation (and site) is usable in Lynx (which, of course, completely ignores all css and images together with any scripts that do graphical stuff). When the site was first created, the Content submenu was a little temperamental, but it appears to be fixed now.

    The site will accept anything up to 200x200 for avatars (above that it will scale down the original/saved pic to something within size limits), but for purposes of what you 'see' in the forums, it will automatically resize for display purposes ... NeoMagus' is saved at 200x197, which is then about as big as they can get. AL's was resized to 169x200. But with relative sizing/positioning from CSS... who knows what you're actually seeing. :)
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    • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: I block google's add trackers and things like that (specific servers, not 'everything google'), something in the menu must be coming off one of the same servers or something, it was nighttime here, I choose sleep over investigations :p


    Hmm.. we're using Google Adsense to raise funds to pay for the hosting, and Google Analytics to track usage and traffic data... sooooo.... ya.
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    • A quick question.
    Is it possible to colour code the latest articles? Stories one colour, news another, etc.
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    • Not really necessary. Latest Articles is primarily going to be people's blog posts, a news post, and one or two stories each week once things settle into regular running mode. It's just a way to, at a quick glance, see what's been added since you last logged in. The way to get at the specific types of Content is through the main menu at the top. History is the archive of Front Page News. Most everything else is accessed via the Content pull down menu: Canon stories, 2nd Gen Canon stories, Library stories, Published Fan Fic stories, and Public Blogs.
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    • Kristin Darken wrote:

    Phoenix Spiritus wrote: I block google's add trackers and things like that (specific servers, not 'everything google'), something in the menu must be coming off one of the same servers or something, it was nighttime here, I choose sleep over investigations :p


    Hmm.. we're using Google Adsense to raise funds to pay for the hosting, and Google Analytics to track usage and traffic data... sooooo.... ya.


    Yeah, I thought that might be it. I just white listed the whole site and it's working now.
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    • Wonder if I should do the same if it has ads showing to help pay. I have mine blocked for ads but I don't have probs with the site itself.
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    • Ib12us wrote: Wonder if I should do the same if it has ads showing to help pay. I have mine blocked for ads but I don't have probs with the site itself.


    I can't speak for you, for me I don't have a problem with polite ads, ones that stay in their place in the page, don't go over the content and 'help pay for the site', all fine with me. I only started blocking to get rid of the trackers. I'm the customer not the product, I don't remember selling my soul to an ad network for their profits, there is no way it is morally acceptable for them to track my usage of the Internet without my consent like they do.

    But yeah, I white listed this site, it feels wrong to block the ads, stop the site I'm using getting money and then force the people making this site also pay out of their own pockets for my usage of it.
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    • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Ib12us wrote: Wonder if I should do the same if it has ads showing to help pay. I have mine blocked for ads but I don't have probs with the site itself.


    I can't speak for you, for me I don't have a problem with polite ads, ones that stay in their place in the page, don't go over the content and 'help pay for the site', all fine with me. I only started blocking to get rid of the trackers. I'm the customer not the product, I don't remember selling my soul to an ad network for their profits, there is no way it is morally acceptable for them to track my usage of the Internet without my consent like they do.

    But yeah, I white listed this site, it feels wrong to block the ads, stop the site I'm using getting money and then force the people making this site also pay out of their own pockets for my usage of it.


    No I quite agree. It's now to the point when I watch an online video about something, the screen is loaded with 'who' the station is which takes up a large portion of the screen and if the subject is within that parameter they or it is obscured. I understand the need to show who its from but please don't use it throughout the whole showing. Soon, I'm sure it will be to where I'll only hear the voices as the advertisement from the tv network will cover up almost the whole screen.

    I understand the need for revenue, its a fact of life now, so I guess I should do my part to help out.
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    • I do keep the more aggressive data collection turned off on the account, mainly because the laws in Europe are more restrictive and we have enough overseas visitors that its not worth getting grief from international sources just so I can pick up better demographics data about our readers. I don't need the data that badly. :)
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    • Not sure what just happened, but all of a sudden the forums have the posting rules and more details description of each thread visible on the main page. I know that information might be useful to show before someone clicks the link to enter the thread, but in my personal opinion it also makes the main page look quite cluttered/overloaded. Just a personal opinion on a largely cosmetic issue, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless.
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    9 years 7 months ago #45 by Kristin Darken
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    • Yes. The point is that there are two things in the template. One is a header, one a description. What would make sense is for one of them to be a short form / subtitle under the category name when seen on the main index of the forums and for the other to be a long version description of the purpose and rules of that section of the forums which appears at the beginning of the section above the threads. Unfortunately. Only one of the two is visible on the actual forums ... and it is in both places (as a sub title and at the top of the page within a category before all the threads). Doesn't make much sense and defeats the purpose of having it. I had realized that all the detail I'd created wasn't been seen and tried flipping them to see what happened. THAT was what happened. :( So... all the useful info is back in the 'other' description box where its not being used unless you have administrator access and can read the category descriptions on the config page for each.

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    9 years 7 months ago #46 by E M Pisek
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    • As you said, the place is still currently going through its initial growth spurts as more items are being ironed out.

    Some of us have become impatient in a frenzied world that drives us to move faster in the belief that this is how we need to operate. As I understand it, but do not like at times, we need to step back and let those that work behind the scenes continue to make the necessary adjustments. Patience is needed and I'm just going to say thank-you to all those who are working on the site.
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