×
Feel free to discuss any typical forums accepted topic here, Whateley or otherwise. Let's avoid the usual suspects: politics, religion, and so forth that tend to result in flame wars and angered forums readers. Other topics will be considered fair game unless they prove to be too volatile, at which point we'll use Devisor created anti-flame chemicals on the subject.
Question Innteresting video i found on Youtube
7 years 3 months ago #1
by Mister D
Posts:
832
Gender:
Male
Birthdate:
Unknown
Measure Twice
- Mister D
-
Topic Author
Considering the number of people that start filming with their phones when something takes place, it's amazing that we don't get more of these...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn1sY8zB87E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn1sY8zB87E
Measure Twice
7 years 3 months ago #2
by Mister D
Posts:
832
Gender:
Male
Birthdate:
Unknown
Measure Twice
- Mister D
-
Topic Author
They would also make for an interesting take on the vignettes that the authors write here...
Measure Twice
7 years 3 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #3
by Kristin Darken
Posts:
3898
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
Unknown
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Kristin Darken
-
Speaking of vids.... the Sith of these three is a good friend and an actor that I get to work with from time to time. He's working more in LA these days, so not as much as a few years ago... but he WILL be in our production of MacBeth this spring. Not as a Sith, per se...

Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
Last Edit: 7 years 3 months ago by Kristin Darken.
7 years 3 months ago #4
by Valentine
Posts:
3121
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
17 Aug 1966
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Valentine
-
Where was Kirk running up the slanted rock?
Don't Drick and Drive.
7 years 3 months ago #5
by Kristin Darken
Posts:
3898
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
Unknown
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Kristin Darken
-
i imagine there are a lot of movies that use that location... easy enough to get to from LA
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
7 years 3 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #6
by DanZilla
Posts:
1648
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
Unknown
- DanZilla
-
Last Edit: 7 years 3 months ago by DanZilla.
7 years 3 months ago #7
by Kristin Darken
Posts:
3898
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
Unknown
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Kristin Darken
-
No comments on the saber demo reel?
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
7 years 3 months ago #8
by Mister D
Posts:
832
Gender:
Male
Birthdate:
Unknown
Measure Twice
- Mister D
-
Topic Author
Nice versions of solo patterns for the choreography.
The forms that the Sith was using were a little sloppy, but that would fit, since he was presenting himself as a Sith that was inspired by anger.
The staff forms that the woman was using are standard fire-staff forms. Nicely executed, though if they were going to be presented as a martial form, she should be a little more direct in aiming at the invisible targets that you use in practising kata.
The man using the twin sword forms was ok, though you could see some patterns when using the high guard, where his form was off, so if he used the high guard as a parry, the attackers weapon could slide off and hit him. Apart from that, he was fine.
Overall the director used a little too much in the way of chop-cuts, so while it came across as being fairly fluid, it was possible that the director was having to work the editing around the shots where the actors got the movements right.
For a fan-made movie, it's impressive.
I would suggest that the actors have a look at some of the forms in the book by George Silver, called "The Paradox of Defence". You can find translations of it online.
While i had read it independently, as part of the background reading for the Iron-age re-enactment society back home, one of my teachers really recommended it for the class in fight choreography for live theatre. Very useful background reading.
I've subscribed to the directors Youtube channel, so i'll hopefully see more of their work.
The forms that the Sith was using were a little sloppy, but that would fit, since he was presenting himself as a Sith that was inspired by anger.
The staff forms that the woman was using are standard fire-staff forms. Nicely executed, though if they were going to be presented as a martial form, she should be a little more direct in aiming at the invisible targets that you use in practising kata.
The man using the twin sword forms was ok, though you could see some patterns when using the high guard, where his form was off, so if he used the high guard as a parry, the attackers weapon could slide off and hit him. Apart from that, he was fine.
Overall the director used a little too much in the way of chop-cuts, so while it came across as being fairly fluid, it was possible that the director was having to work the editing around the shots where the actors got the movements right.
For a fan-made movie, it's impressive.

I would suggest that the actors have a look at some of the forms in the book by George Silver, called "The Paradox of Defence". You can find translations of it online.
While i had read it independently, as part of the background reading for the Iron-age re-enactment society back home, one of my teachers really recommended it for the class in fight choreography for live theatre. Very useful background reading.
I've subscribed to the directors Youtube channel, so i'll hopefully see more of their work.

Measure Twice
7 years 3 months ago #9
by Kristin Darken
Posts:
3898
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
Unknown
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Kristin Darken
-
Some of what you said may be more on the effects editor than the actors... after all, there are no blades in the actual filming cuts. I'm not even sure if they used a placeholder to give them some weight and drag, based on the way they handle a couple of the twirls.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
7 years 3 months ago #10
by Mister D
Posts:
832
Gender:
Male
Birthdate:
Unknown
That's entirely possible.
Since i have never worked on productions using after-effects, i'm not really sure how they work in practise.
Most of the things i've worked on, were using live melee weapons, and choreography for physical theatre. Also, using lighting+foils and chemical-based-effects for added surprise...
I definitely noticed the fire-staff forms, as they're the standard forms that i am still trying to master. She does them well.
I, also, learned the differences between some of the staff/spear form for stage-fighting, and the fire-staff forms, that are an extension of dance, as well as some of the Norwegian spear/staff forms for real combat, that flow really nicely from the use of oars, and boathooks.
Working without the weight/drag would make it a lot more difficult to get the forms to flow properly, which could explain some of the roughness i observed. Though the actor using two swords, really needs to work on his forms. Anyone presenting that sloppy a high-guard with his back-hand wouldn't really have survived to be the age that his make-up implies...
Measure Twice
- Mister D
-
Topic Author
Kristin Darken wrote: Some of what you said may be more on the effects editor than the actors... after all, there are no blades in the actual filming cuts. I'm not even sure if they used a placeholder to give them some weight and drag, based on the way they handle a couple of the twirls.
That's entirely possible.
Since i have never worked on productions using after-effects, i'm not really sure how they work in practise.
Most of the things i've worked on, were using live melee weapons, and choreography for physical theatre. Also, using lighting+foils and chemical-based-effects for added surprise...

I definitely noticed the fire-staff forms, as they're the standard forms that i am still trying to master. She does them well.
I, also, learned the differences between some of the staff/spear form for stage-fighting, and the fire-staff forms, that are an extension of dance, as well as some of the Norwegian spear/staff forms for real combat, that flow really nicely from the use of oars, and boathooks.

Working without the weight/drag would make it a lot more difficult to get the forms to flow properly, which could explain some of the roughness i observed. Though the actor using two swords, really needs to work on his forms. Anyone presenting that sloppy a high-guard with his back-hand wouldn't really have survived to be the age that his make-up implies...
Measure Twice
7 years 3 months ago #11
by elrodw
Posts:
3263
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
Unknown
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- elrodw
-
at one point in my life,I was digging into CGI, and I came across amateur Star Wars fan films with lightsaber fights. In stepping through the process, it turned out that they DID have blades, rather garishly marked, so that when it came to the 'frame by frame' editing to put the lightsaber in, the markings gave a huge head-start to the image-processing software (can be done with Photoshop or GIMP).
This is ONE way to do it without newer plugins: www.instructables.com/id/Lightsaber-blade-effect-for-free/
This is ONE way to do it without newer plugins: www.instructables.com/id/Lightsaber-blade-effect-for-free/
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
7 years 3 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #12
by Schol-R-LEA
Posts:
1766
Gender:
Unknown
Birthdate:
24 Oct 1968
Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
- Schol-R-LEA
-
The second one in that video is an almost exact recreation of a similar stunt done a few years ago as a promotional viral video for the remake of Carrie a few years ago. I expect most of you noticed that, but no one seemed to mention it, so...
Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
Last Edit: 7 years 3 months ago by Schol-R-LEA.
Moderators: WhateleyAdmin, Kristin Darken, E. E. Nalley, elrodw, Nagrij, MageOhki, Astrodragon, NeoMagus, Warren, Morpheus, Wasamon, sleethr, OtherEric, Bek D Corbin, MaLAguA, Souffle Girl, Phoenix Spiritus, Starwolf, DanZilla, Katie_Lyn, Maggie Finson, DrBender, JG, Bladedancer, Renae_Whateley