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Question Well, I just pissed off the PPC. Like, all of it.

5 years 8 months ago #1 by CrazyMinh
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    • In a attempt to apologise (and ~maybe~ get some words in about what I think about recent developments in sci-fi media) for some things that have been happening over there, I have managed to piss off quite a large number of people over at the Protectors of the Plot Continuum. They think I'm a transphobic, bigoted, conservative. I mean, come on guys! Seriously? Me? Transphobic? Bigoted? *snerk* Conservative???!!!

    In all honesty, I have no idea why I'm writing this. But hell, I've gotta talk to someone about this, and it might as well be a community I haven't managed to majorly piss of yet. I mean, I've messed up here before, but not to the degree that I've got a entire forum of people accusing me of being right wing.

    I guess what I want to say is help. Goddamm it, I have no idea how to deal with this problem, and I need advice from a community I trust. Which is you guys. So...help me, Whateley Academy Forums??? You aren't my only hope at this moment?
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    5 years 8 months ago #2 by CrazyMinh
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    • A quick note on the 'transphobic' bit. That was a earlier incident where a lack of forethought on my behalf while talking about Cyberpunk 2077 lead to a group of Boarders getting triggered and assuming I was being...well...transphobic. I was talking about transhumanism, not the other trans one. The more sensitive 'trans' topic. The one that I in no means meant to bring up while talking about a cyberpunk game where you can augment yourself with cybernetics. For that matter, I didn't.

    This particular thread started as me writing a explanation of my hatred for that show, and quickly devolved into members of the board calling me a conservative. Which I dislike the use of. There was also a lot of gatekeeping accusations. Also Gamergate. Also Anita Sarkeesian (albiet, I brought up that topic, to be perfectly fair).

    The point is that I've frakked up somewhere, and I need some help figuring out what to do. Thus, I come to a community who I can trust to give a frank answer, and possibly aid me in figuring out a way to approach this gordian knot of a situation.
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    5 years 8 months ago #3 by elrodw
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    • I can't help but smile wryly at the situation, not that I'm amused by your predicament (which I have no idea how to deal with), but because you remind me of, well, me. When I was younger and possessed far less patience and diplomacy. Blunt like a sledge-hammer, not holding back my informed opinions, and damn the consequences. Age and experience helps dull this minor affliction, so keep your chin up - there is hope. :)

    On the topic at hand, you have run into the SJW PC buzzsaw, and unfortunately, there is no escape. You have been branded a heretic by a bunch of pansy-ass SJW types for whom being called "xe" instead of "sze" (their self-invented 'preferred' pronoun) is the most distressing thing their helicopter parents have ever let them be exposed to in their over-pampered lives, and they react with hysteria. They have no ability to hear, absorb, process, and deal with anything that they think is in the slightest bit offensive.

    These hyper-fragile types would die if they had to experience a tiny fraction of what my dad lived through - Great Depression and WW2. They couldn't handle dealing with the bullying I dealt with in school (admittedly, some of it was due to my own attitude). Hell, they can't deal with a game with clear winners and losers and no participation trophies for all!

    The whole point is that these people who gets triggered by inferring something incorrectly from what you say, not bothering to even consider alternative meanings, are as fragile as a sculpture of crystalized sugar. And totally close-minded. And you can never argue with them, because their 'cause' is their religion and they are zealots who can never be dealt with in a sensible manner. And they seem to live to look for things that 'trigger' them so they can have a hysterical outburst and get sympathy from like-minded zealots.

    Deal with a group of people who can listen to what you say, not overreact, and accept you for what you are (while possibly gently nudging you to improve yourself).
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    5 years 8 months ago #4 by E. E. Nalley
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    • Um, context please? What are you talking about, Minh?
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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    5 years 8 months ago #5 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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    • I tend to agree somewhat with Elrod on this, but only somewhat: there are people on all sides of the political spectrum who, if you don't agree in detail to their firmly held beliefs, will immediately brand you as something they don't like. Most of them couldn't define what the words they use mean; they're just words that have a very negative value to them. I've heard them called snarl words. Logical argument is useless precisely since most of them couldn't give you a coherent definition anyway. They're not interested in nuance; many of them are only interested in political posturing to their buds.

    I tend to avoid forums where there are a lot of these people. The forums that work ban that kind of speech, and the moderators administer the policy with an iron hand.
    5 years 8 months ago #6 by null0trooper
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    • CrazyMinh wrote: This particular thread started as me writing a explanation of my hatred for that show, and quickly devolved into members of the board calling me a conservative. Which I dislike the use of. There was also a lot of gatekeeping accusations. Also Gamergate. Also Anita Sarkeesian (albiet, I brought up that topic, to be perfectly fair).


    Welcome to Cancel Culture, where any deviation from the "woke" party line makes you a pariah and no form of retaliation is too far to consider. Once these authoritarian ideologues get a nose in under the tent they'll do just about anything to take over a hobby, company, or organization.

    As XaltatunOf Acheron points out: don't for a minute think folks on the authoritarian right don't pull the same things on the communities they hold influence in. Heresy and blasphemy are just the religious terms for wrongthink.
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    5 years 8 months ago #7 by null0trooper
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    • E. E. Nalley wrote: Um, context please? What are you talking about, Minh?


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    5 years 8 months ago - 5 years 8 months ago #8 by Katssun
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    • I shouldn't say this, because politics is very strongly discouraged. But I hope the staff forgive me on this one.

    They called you a conservative. Gasp! [clutches pearls.] But...you're not from the United States. What does that even mean then? ;)

    Unless they know exactly where you're from, it is just an attempt to demonize you. Of course both sides both use this strategy.
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    5 years 8 months ago #9 by Sir Lee
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    • The sad truth is that most people are not interested in nuance, they are interested in "us vs. them." If you don't do what they like, you are one of "them." And "them" is supposed to be some monolithic thing, so if you are one of "them" then automatically you share traits with everyone else who is one of "them."

    There's some theorizing in the Anthropology field that this tendency for humans to split into factions may have evolved as a survival trait, because it keeps tribes from growing too much. In a nomadic, hunter-gatherer society, beyond a certain point growing the tribe does not increase the availability of resources; it only accelerates the rate of depletion of a region's resources, forcing the tribe to move more often. So if a tribe grows too much it starts suffering from infighting and eventually splits, bringing the tribe size back to a more manageable size.

    Agriculture changed the resource availability equation, but in terms of evolutionary time, the last ten thousand years or so are just a blip. Our brains are still wired to split the tribe. So we find *some pretext* to hate the "other." Maybe they speak different, maybe they look a bit different, maybe they pray a little different, maybe they like a different sports team, maybe they ship a different romantic pair in a series of books about sparkly vampires... whatever. The important part is that they are "the other."
    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    5 years 8 months ago - 5 years 8 months ago #10 by JG
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    • It's thought police bullshit.

    You think wrong therefore we excise you from our tiny community that circlejerks and sings kumbayah while decrying the evils of (literally over 90% of the rest of the population who doesn't give a merry fuck about "casual insensitivity") everyone else.

    People who do this for any other reason than "You are being a genuine asshole" claiming you're tromping over their sensitivities by having a differing opinion do not deserve to communicate in public, because apparently public discourse is too harsh for their delicate ears.

    When you are labeled a bigot or a phobic in an argument, unless you say something that is pretty solidly there? They're engaging tactics to force you to be silent so their delicate ears cannot be burned by your deplorable opinion.

    because they have no argument that isn't purely emotional and reactionary butthurt or outright trolling to stir the butthurt shitpot. This is what our socio-political discourse has turned into: Junior High School Name calling.
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    5 years 8 months ago #11 by Mister D
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    • As Elwrod said, it's a function of age and experience.

    To quote Mark Twain, "When i was 16, my father was an idiot. When i turned 21, i was surprised how much the old fool had learned in 5 years." And that was written in the 1880's. :D

    Everyone who has any self-awareness will go through this cycle.

    When i look back at the ways that i thought when i was in my early teens, and i still cringe at how stupid i was. These days i'm still as stupid, but in different ways... :D

    CraxyMinh: just learn to hold back a little. Don't write a reply straight away, but leave it for 10 minutes, re-read it and re-edit, then leave it for another 10 minutes before you post.

    It's not easy when you have the conditions that you have, but managing your behaviour is a skill. Just requires practise.

    I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who was only diagnosed with ADHD when i was turning 40. The psychiatrist said that i had the worst case of ADHD that he had come across in his professional career, but that i was also a (sort of) functional human being.

    Changing your behaviour patterns is a lifetime's task. Working around your own personal quirks will just take time and practise.
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    5 years 8 months ago #12 by elrodw
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    • One of my co-workers would frequently invoke what he called "the 24-hour filter" - specifically to avoid over-reacting.

    Think of how it used to be in the (not-so-good) old days. If someone sent you a letter that offended you, you had to either call long-distance (which was expensive) or you had to write a reply. Once you wrote it (taking time), you had to put it in an envelope, address the envelope, put on a stamp, and then usually wait until the next day for the mailman to pick it up. Plenty of time to realize you're over-reacting. Contrast that with current times - if you get offended, you can reply instantly, and in a lot of cases, the Internet depersonalizes or even anonymizes others. Your response to someone you know is more careful because you have a relationship to maintain. To an anonymous, faceless stranger? Who cares - I'm angry, I want to vent. Overall level of anger in the situation goes up.

    Take a brief time-out and do something else. Get your mind off it for a bit, then look at the situation again.
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    5 years 8 months ago #13 by Bek D Corbin
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    • And let's not forget that there are people who simply LIKE being angry and offended.

    I call them 'Perpetually Pissed People'. I've noticed that they leap on any chance to go off on someone, for any reason. There's no lapse in response, no confusion, no attempt to see where the other party might have a point, no sense of actually being hurt; it's always BOOM! and they're off in your face. Sex, age, race, class, 'persuasion', and creed have nothing to do with it. Slice any demographic, and you'll find one or to of these yutzes.

    Why?

    Well, first of all, it's FUN! They genuinely enjoy the rush.

    Next, it gives them a kind of power: they're offended, therefore they must be catered to in some form, placated or bought off or whatever.

    Then, there's the fact that they've just made it all about THEM. No matter what the topic was, now it's about the fact that they are screaming at the top of their lungs, and they've hijacked the narrative.

    Also it saves them from the rigors of intelligent discourse. They just explode, start throwing names and accusations, and any onus for logic, facts or perspective go out the window.

    And lastly, this is hardly new: there shouting matches and name-calling in the democratic meetings of Greece and the forums of Rome. Cavaliers and Swashbucklers dragged swords around, hoping to pick fights. Two congressmen got into a fight on the floor of the House (then meeting in Philadelphia), with one attacking the other with a cane, and the other defending himself with tongs from a fireplace. Initiative favors the aggressor, and verbal abuse favors the irrational. All that the Internet has done is give idiots from Gascony, Ecuador, Oregon, New Zealand and Kenya a way of screaming at each other in real time,
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    • I think bek summed up the phenomenon nicely.

    It should be printed in the news with the tagline: "THIS IS YOU!!!"
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    • Now that the conservatives have thrown about their two cents and bashed SJW's and anyone who pushes a the "let's use the proper words because 'that' word is offensive." ... I want to point out that this is NOT a mindset that belongs to one party or the other. Yes, liberals tend to carry a heavier share of the whole... but liberals are also more likely to be on the side advocating for change in ANY situation. Because that is fundamentally what liberals do. Conservatives want things to remain the same, liberals want change.

    Two hundred years ago, if you called me or someone in my circle or family something that I didn't like... there was a good possibility that I could call you out for it. Duels with blades, pistols, etc. Even as recently as a hundred years, the notion of 'offending' someone was arbitrary enough that a 'gentleman' didn't do it... but someone could still be offended and the outcome might be pistols at high noon. Even today, it wouldn't be completely out of character (especially in rural and southern areas) for someone who is offended to take a swing at someone. Even if what were said wasn't all that offensive.

    So why are we so 'angry' that someone can simply 'tell us' that they are offended and ask us not to use that language? Or for society in general to adjust to take offensive things out of common usage and expect individuals to comply. Truthfully... don't you PREFER not to have to have someone punch you in the face... or shoot you in a duel.. as a result of offending them? Is it THAT difficult for you to adapt in ways that avoid take such little effort to avoid causing offense in the first place instead of having to make up for it after the fact?


    Do some people take it over the line? Sure. That happens. Some people also took offense at everything and killed lots of people because they liked duelling and were good at it. Is it sometimes a challenge and frustrating to adapt to use new words for things that you've spent half a century calling something else? Well, yes. But knowing that for half a century of using that word, you've made someone feel 'less' of being a human, 'less' being a citizen of our country... is the effort to adapt a little not worth it?
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    5 years 8 months ago - 5 years 8 months ago #16 by JG
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    • Liberal Extreme lefty (I can't in good conscience attribute the behavior being griped about to "Classic Liberals" and "Normal" Democrats, as bluntly very few of those fall into the category of behavior we speak of here) or conservative has nothing to do with my commentary, the world has no shortage of oversensitive assholes who want to silence you because they don't like what you have to say.

    The problem is not people politely "asking you to not use that language/idea around me"

    It's the perception of people trying to enforce a disallowing of that language/idea around me.

    it was a problem when the religious right was pulling the shit 10-30 years ago with books and video games, it's a problem today when the so-called SJWs do it. it'll be a problem again when the next batch of dinguses does it in 2030. About once a decade people find something to go on a butthurt crusade over, and it's not limited to lefties.

    It's all thought police and book burning equivalent bullshit by people who are afraid that other ideas and alternative thoughts are an infection, not something to be considered.

    My issue with this shit is it's being LOUDLY pushed by a very, very loud minority of people who use tactics and means that polite society, debate and discourse reject. You take the average, random person on the street, no matter what political party they hail from and the response to this kind of situation will be "HUH? That's weird and pretty stupid"
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